Kobe; So this is what it was all about --
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crock, they should disbar all of the lawyers and kick that judge out of the courtroom. What a disgrace. Justice
blind my *ss!
JS
<< <i>The court system failed, if it would of been anyone besides Kobe he would of been in jail long ago. What a
crock, they should disbar all of the lawyers and kick that judge out of the courtroom. What a disgrace. Justice
blind my *ss!
JS >>
While I agree with your: " if it would of been anyone besides Kobe he would of been in jail long ago"
How do you know what happened? Are you saying Kobe did the crime? While I do not agree with any of his "activities" while being married (at the least) you have no idea what he did or did not do.
But by all means you are entitled to your opinion, but to say the system failed because of a "celebrity" that WE (not we you and I but we in general) put in the limelight and in a position to do something like this (if he did) is no fault of the courts.
Maybe we as a society need to re-evaluate who we put on a throne giving the ability to do these things.
I'm a Philly fan - I, as well as many Philly fans, don't personally like Bryant one bit - but I believe he's not guilty of any crime here. With the civil suit being filed, in my opinion this woman is a golddigger who shouldn't be awarded one red cent.
As the article succinctly explains, the reason there is now a civil suit is because the burden of proof is lower than in a criminal trial. The prosecution and judge have screwed this case up so badly that there is no way he's getting convicted - especially with the defense team Kobe assembled. The (alleged) victim's only recourse is the civil suit, and if you think you heard bad crap about Kobe so far, wait until what you hear then ... Kobe's a spoiled punk who is getting full use of his "get out of jail free" card ... I hope his wife is putting him through hell, because he deserves it.
I posted on the Open Forum that this trial is a major setback for rape victims and their rights, and I feel very strongly about this. Rape victims generally are reluctant to come forward and name their attacker - this case will only add to that fear and reluctance. Spend even a few minutes talking to women who have experienced the horrors of such a violation, and you'll realize why this is so important.
The question would be is there a possibility to have consensual sex with someone and get 3 blood stains on your shirt?
Reasonable Doubt.
He said/She said.
Just playing "Devil's Advocate".
ruling that were idiotic. I wonder if these "mistakes" don't happen if someone less popular were in the
courtroom!
JS
I take the rape issue very seriously, because the only way we as a society are going to change how we deal with the issue is if *MEN* start treating it seriously, rather than just women advocating higher awareness, better victim support, and stiffer penalties. It's too easy for most guys to just pin some (if not all) of the guilt on the woman because of loose morals, how she was dressed, being a tease, etc. Most guys always give the benefit of doubt to the guy. None of us here know Kobe any better than we know the woman involved. Yet most of what I've read has been in his favor (devil's advocate or otherwise). How would you feel if she was your daughter? Your sister?
To answer your question directly - "is there a [reasonable] possibility to have consensual sex with someone and get 3 blood stains on your shirt?" In my mind, no, there isn't.
If it were anyone else they wouldnt have the money, fan base, and dare I say "power" to do what is happening.
Before pointing a finger at the legal system lawyers, judges, etc. Why not look at the way "we" treat them to make them feel that way and to be able to o what they do?
As for my Daughter, my sister, my mother, you can not ask that question and get an unbiased answer period. Its never happened so I cant. It is a question that can not be answered. Thats like saying if it never happened how would you feel? Well you cant because it did.
Let me ask you something "what if" that someone turned out to be a total liar? While I agree "rape" needs to be addressed I am not refering to "rape" Im refering to a crime in general that people like Kobe will (if he did) and others will continue to get away with, if you will, because of their status that is elevated by people like "us".
AND OR the people that go after people like Kobe "just for the money".
Again I can give thousands of reasons both for and against Kobe but there are only two people that REALLY know.
I dont even "like" basketball, much less Kobe. Dont collect the cards watch games, etc. I just find it funny that "we" create these people, putting them high above us and then expect it to be easy to chop them down. (Im also not saying that YOU or any of you are Kobe fans its just a general statement)
Not totally comparing the two but just as a bit of an analogy - remember when Linda Lovelace said she had been raped during all those porn films that she starred in. Deep Throat was the first porn film I ever saw and I saw some other films in which Linda performed. She certainly wasn't being raped. In later years she became a "born again" person and for personal reasons wanted to change the truth about her past. There are numerous other examples of women and men trying to change the truth for various reasons.
As you seem to fully know, rape cases with no cameras or witnesses are some of the toughest to prosecute. The jury selection should find twelve people who are not predisposed to any verdict and hopefully justice will prevail.
<< <i>We by "elevating" people to higher standards by portraying them to be "role models", "superstars", "celeberaties" we have created them ourselves. >>
I agree 100%.
<< <i>the people that go after people like Kobe "just for the money". >>
I would turn around and put false accusers on trial and hope for maximum sentences. Don't get me wrong - if it turns out that this has all been an elaborate money-making, celebrity-slandering scheme, I hope she gets locked away for decades. Falsely accusing someone of rape should not be taken lightly by our criminal justice system.
<< <i>I dont even "like" basketball, much less Kobe. >>
We're in the same boat - NBA basketball is somewhere around #11 on my "favorite sport to watch" list (right after the Bassmaster Classic but ahead of the Westminster Dog Show).
In the end, I'd like our justice system to make it clear that real rape victims will get the support and protection they need to come forward and name their attacker - and that the odds of the guilty party receiving justice are very high. If that environment doesn't exist, then victims lose and rapists win ... it's that simple (in my mind at least). My personal feeling is that this case, as a whole, hurts this cause more than it helps it.
<< <i>We just disagree about Kate Faber >>
Yeah, I guess we do. I don't care if Kate Faber is the most immoral, impure, wacko woman on the face of the earth - rape is rape, and if that's what happened, then Kobe should get the maximum sentence.
<< <i>Also I've read where this woman is very sexually active. >>
This whole argument pisses me off to no end (not you, but the argument in general) - she was sexually active because she had a boyfriend with whom she engaged (like many couples do) in consensual sex. Though disgusted by it, the defense team successfully turned this issue into a "she's a slut" character attack that the idiot judge failed to take control of. They threw every possible suggestion of looseness out there, knowing the news would focus on the angle and that many people already inclined to support Kobe would eat it up. In the end, making anything out of the "other" sample found on her underwear (i.e., from her friggin boyfriend) should have been a non-issue - certainly not one for public disclosure - since it bore no relevance to the case, period.