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Do dealers buy raw cameos at prices above prices for none cameos?

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
Many times dealers will sell raw cameos for premiums (sometimes quite large) over the prices they charge for raw non cameos. Do any dealers pay similar premiums when they are offered raw cameos for purchase? If so, is there any particular price these dealers pay (i.e., 2.5 times bid). I understand that some dealers that specialize in and promote cameos will not buy raw cameos from collectors. Have any of you experienced this?

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I buy raw cameos. Have some? image

    Russ, NCNE
  • rlawsharlawsha Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭
    Everyone knows I pay 10% over whatever Russ offers so please ignore his post.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have many raw cameos, cent through dollars, both proof and SMS. They have accumulated over the years and I need to wade through them and make an inventory. What are you interested in besides accented hair Kennedies.
  • Russ loves those Kennedies. Me, I prefer cameo proof Jeffersons. image
  • i buy all cameo coins aswell and also charge a premium for cameo over non cameo . cameos are simply worth more.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like all cameos, particualrly the SMS coins. As for Jefferson nickels, I have a capital plastic holder with 1950-64 proofs, 65-67 SMS nickels in a capital plastics mint set holder and the 68-70 proof nickels in capital plastic single proof set holders.

    Of the 1950-64 proofs, only the 50, 51, 53 and 57 would not make cameo. Of the others, the 54, 56, 59 and 62 are best, with the 62 being a deep cameo. For the SMS nickels my 1965 has deep mirrors and very heavy frost (however, it has small flecks of copper imbedded in the coins, perhaps coppers flakes off of a capped die, though I do not understand how a copper planchet could have become capped on a nickel die) and my 66 and 67 are run of the mill. For my 68-70 proof nickels, they are deeply mirrored and very heavily frosted (similar in look to some of the recent cameo jeffersons that have been post on the forums).

    Carl, what cameo jeffersons do you have?
  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I collect cameos as well - from cents to dollars - I am a collector not a dealer.

    I know of no rule of thumb to use to value cameos - they vary so much from date to date. For example, a 1950 Franklin in cameo is 10-15 times more expensive than a non-cameo. But a 1956 will only be a few times more expensive in cameo.

    I have had great difficulty selling raw cameos to dealers - we never can agree on a price. I suspect you will run into the same thing if you know what your coins will grade and the current market price. I know of about 10 cameo dealers that will give you a fair price for your capital plastics holder full of cameos. Remember that they will assess what the coins will sell for and then apply their expenses and profit margin to arrive at an offer price. Non-cameo dealers will often give low offers because they don't want to get burned. They will then sell them one at a time or resell them to a cameo dealer.

    If you are considering selling your coins, you may want to consider getting them graded. This removes much of the subjectivity of what the grade is - at least you have a third party grading companies opinion. Even though it costs money to get them graded, I believe you will be more able to maximize your sales.

    “In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." - Thomas Jefferson

    My digital cameo album 1950-64 Cameos - take a look!

  • I sold many of my best cameo proof Jeffersons. I had some high grade deep cameo and cameos for all years '50-present. I had a pretty decent registry set for a while there. I still have my '38 and '40 both with some cameo contrast.

    It sounds like you have a neat set of Jeffs. I thought it was very hard to find them raw and am impressed you have found so many nice ones!
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm sitting on about 30 Cameo Halves and quarters. Most are deep and in original mint sets. Most dealers I've talked to won't offer prices near what I want for them. I will continue to sit on them as sets with them are becoming rare. Maybe someday I will send them in for grading but I have no reason to sell at this point.
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It has taken me years to find the jeffersons I described. Searching for them has been very enjoyable. Nothing like looking at multiple proof sets and having a single coin stand out from the rest and grab your attention. Even better when you buy the set for the price of a regular set.

    I have not given any thought to putting together cameo year sets out of singles that have accumulated. Sounds like a good way to spend some leisure time. I expect that one day I will submit coins for grading. Have not chosen to do so yet.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Sanction II- if you ever have any cam franklins you want to get rid of, please drop me a PM about it. As far as selling cameos, I would never even bother with the small local dealers I've run into here in Portland. I don't believe they would ever offer anything close to market value because they believe (and probably rightfully so) that's it's too much of a niche market for them. I have a feeling that agreeing on grade and cameo designation would be a real drag too.........
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !

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