For those with a 18th cent. Krause - Picture added!

MadMuffin

I have an Italian coin that I would like a cat # and a value for, please:

Tuscany - Gian Gastone 1723-33
The coin is a crazia, made in silver - no date

I hope this is enough to ID the coin - otherwise I will post a scan. I'd like the KM# plus the cat. value in F and VF.

And on request: here is the picture (sorry for the delay )



The coin measures 17mm across. The scan has made it look somewhat more flat than it really is.

Marcel

earlwbollinger

You really need to post a picture.
I can't tell one from another from textual descriptions.

Spinynorman

I have the 3rd edition, but even though it mentions Giovanni Gaston, it doesn't show any silver coins before Francis III.

MadMuffin

OK then, I'll post a picture tomorrow (it's evening time in Europe now). Perhaps the coin is not even illustrated in the catalog. For some reason the Krause people like to put images of big, rare coins in their 17th and 18th edition catalogs, but often the more common minor coins are not illustrated. Strange, if you ask me

Marcel

satootoko

<< <i>Krause people like to put images of big, rare coins in their 17th and 18th edition catalogs, but often the more common minor coins are not illustrated. >>

Could be they just don't have a picture. So, if you have one, why not send it to them for use in later editions?

MadMuffin

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Marcel

earlwbollinger

Unfortunately, I don't see a real matchup in either the 17th or 18th century Krause books that i have.
The reverse with the standing figure matches up well with some coins out of Tuscany in the 17th century, but in the 18th century the figure is kneeling or sitting.
The obverse shield coat of arms appears to have been used in Livorno, Tuscany, and Pisa.
The crazia denomination was used in Pisa, but it has a cross on the reverse. they made these as billon coins in small denomination from 1670 thru 1723.
The Livorno coins all look to have a cross or a rosebush on the reverse.
The Tuscany coins in the 1700's only show that obverse on some gold Doppia coins from 1711 and 1716. The reverse though are crosses.

What does seem to come close though is some unpictured references from PIOMBINO in the 17th century with a billon crazia from 1651 and 1652 (KM#15)
in this they reference the obv:Crowned Ludovici arms, ASTRIS, rev: Madonna Standing.
Another one (KM#21) 1668 has a rev: ST.Anastasia.
The other coin is a gold Doppa (KM#11) 1644.
The billon coins are VG-$20.00 to XF $185, the gold coin is stated as rare no value.

Piombino is a seaport near Leghorn in Tuscany opposite Elba, when Pisa was ceded to Visconti, the Appianti family kept Piombino and Elba(in 1594).
It passed through to the Ludovici family, and finally thru marraige to the Boncompagni family. It's last coinage was during the Ludovici family period.

Anyway, that is about as close as I can get it.
Sorry,

MadMuffin

Thank you for your thorough search! I'm not surprised to see a small-change coin missing in the catalog. That has happened to me before.

Looking at your reply I wonder if the coin really is from Tuscany. It was identified as such when I bought it but that may be because of the Medici shield on the obverse. The influence of the Medicis stretched far beyond Tuscany, though. I'll have to do some more research on this piece.

Marcel

earlwbollinger

Well, that whole area could loosely be referred to as Tuscany. At that time fuedal lords and small city states were very common.
Piombino looks like it is more or less inside Tuscany, they were a little city state, ruled by some fuedal lords.
I suspect the coin is from Piombino myself as their coins look the most like yours.