Man, did I blow the Jefferson grades on this submission! (AKA RGL is going to hate me) POP TOP! 15/0

Russ

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LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY COUNTRY GRADE
1 21641791 1967 5C SMS USA MS67DC
2 21641792 1967 5C SMS USA MS67DC
3 21641793 1965 50C SMS USA MS66CA
4 21641794 1966 50C SMS USA MS67CA
5 21641795 1967 50C SMS USA MS67
6 21641796 1967 50C SMS USA MS67
7 21641797 1967 50C SMS USA MS66CA

Date Received: 06/22/2004
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

POP TOP 15/0!!!! I had those two coins going MS66CAM. I've just discovered that PCGS is not as tough on these as they are SMS Kennedys.

Here are the coins from the submission:

line 1


line 2


Both of the nickels were pulled from sets I bought on eBay. After replacing them and selling the sets, my cost is about $2 each before grading. Nice little return.

line3


That one was cracked out of an NGC MS67CAM holder. I had it going MS67CAM again. At MS66CAM, I lost my butt.

line4


Cracked out of a PCGS MS67CAM holder, and came back the same grade. Very close to DCAM. Bought it way below market, so no loss there.

line 5


line6


Both line five and six are a bit light on the reverse, but I was hoping they might slide in to cameo holders. I had them both grading MS67.

line 7


Pulled line seven from a group of three sets I picked off for $41. I had it grading MS66DCAM. PCGS will see it again someday when they get real.

Some hits and some misses, but overall quite a nice submission.

Russ, NCNE

MadMarty

YOU SUCK!!!

coinguy89

Those is some nice looking coins. But I noticed you put mint state and that they came out deep cameo, is it possible for mint state to also be cameo?

Catch22

Your shipment was entered on 06/18/2004. Further processing is pending.

Shamika

I have to admit, I wouldn't have picked the Jeffersons as DC either. The frost on the obverses just don't look strong enough.

Nice job!

Russ

<< <i>But I noticed you put mint state and that they came out deep cameo, is it possible for mint state to also be cameo? >>



SMS coins are mint state whether brilliant, cameo or deep cameo.

Russ, NCNE

coinguy89

<< <i>

<< <i>But I noticed you put mint state and that they came out deep cameo, is it possible for mint state to also be cameo? >>



SMS coins are mint state whether brilliant, cameo or deep cameo.

Russ, NCNE >>



Thanks, didn't know.

CarlWohlforth

coinguy89: SMS coins are considered Mint State but can also be Deep Cameo.

Russ: Do those Jeffs have full steps? If so I want to bid on them!

CoinAddict

Those Jeffersons are outstanding. Very nice score, Russ!!!!

100proof1957

Jeffs just aint frosty untill you get way later in years !
the pcgs standards are totally different for Jeffs,just sold a 1964/ 68 DCAM that looked just like my 1957/68 CAM.
i believe a board member purchased it
Link

Nice score Russ

Agflyer

Congrats on those Jeffersons! That helps make the waiting for grades just that much sweeter.

SanctionII

Russ, as with Marty's talents, I am also in awe of your talents in obtaining cameo coins. Pictures of same that you post are amazing (or at least the coins are). As an alternative to the regularly used Kudo of "You Suck", I say "Simply Outstanding".

DHeath

I say "Simply Outstanding

I don't. You suck!

JrGMan2004

Yeah.... you suck... I've bought 4 sets that had prospects... but got them out... and of the 4 sets, 1 will pay for itself plus a profit, which will pay for the second set that didn't pan out. Set #3 will probally barely pay for itself, if I'm lucky, after slabbing, and the 3rd is being slabbed, but will pretty much be a complete loss... I haven't had too much luck searching proof sets...

coolkarma

Russ,
Congratulations! Or Simply Outstanding! Or You Suck! While the nickels don't have any silver in them so they never look quite as nice as the halves, I think your grades for the nickels were closer to the usual PCGS grades for SMS nickels. Particularly for the first one. The mirrors on the reverse don't look deep enough. And I might say the same for your line 7 half

On the other hand, maybe I should submit my 1967 nickels that PCGS graded 67Cam (and I thought should be dcam). Maybe they would do better now. However, since you've already increased the pop of 1967 nickels in 67dcam, maybe I can afford to buy one

MS68

Congrats Russ. Nice job on the nickels. Line 7 does look awefully close. I see a bit of haze. Is that on the coin or in the image? If on the coin, you may want to hit the coin with a quick ammonia bath. Rinse VERY well when finished.

Bikingnut

I wish I could screw it up like that. Nice coins.

doop

them nix are yumsome.......how mch?
slip em over to doodles,he's the one for em
how cheap can i get em,how quick,bottom line ?

keets

hey Russ

it's certainly hard to judge from pictures, but it's not above PCGS to grade "gifts" every once in awhile. i still haven't been able to nail down an SMS DCAM Jefferson through a submission and they are especially tough on 1967's. the coins you show certainly look well frosted. do the mirrors exhibit that halo quality to the portrait, they seem a bit hazed?? i think Carl's question regarding the steps is an important one. my SMS experience tells me that an MS67 coin should be fairly close to Full Step.

finally, on the top coin, what's that funny looking area above the first pillar? good score.

al h.

Steve27

Looks like graffiti on Monticello:

Trooper

Russ
nice grades..Time to go back through all those sets and start sending in the Jef's that you set aside.

Tom

poptopsRus

YOU SUCK

Numismanic

Great score!

Russ

<< <i>Line 7 does look awefully close. I see a bit of haze. >>



MS68,

It's not haze, it's mint frost. It's pretty common on the SMS halves, and is likely what kept the coin from getting in to a DCAM holder. PCGS likes smooth, glassy, uninterrupted mirrors on these. A little less of it in the reverse fields and I think that one would have made it.



<< <i>them nix are yumsome.......how mch?
slip em over to doodles,he's the one for em
how cheap can i get em,how quick,bottom line ? >>



Well, Doops, I already sold one for $750. I'll sell you the other one for $1500.

Russ, NCNE

bearcave

Those are some nice grades!

And I agree catch22!!

stephunter

Nice score. Have you made a Dcam on a 65 Jefferson?

Russ

<< <i>Have you made a Dcam on a 65 Jefferson? >>



I wish. I've only come across a couple that were even cameo.

Russ, NCNE

doop

why not $2500 whilst you're dreaming about how much you can get for a $350-400 coin???

Russ

<< <i>why not $2500 whilst you're dreaming about how much you can get for a $350-400 coin??? >>



It ain't me that's dreaming. I'll buy every PCGS graded MS67DCAM SMS Jefferson you have for that $350-$400 number you just tossed out. Hell, I'll even go $450.

Russ, NCNE

doop

<< <i>

<< <i>why not $2500 whilst you're dreaming about how much you can get for a $350-400 coin??? >>



It ain't me that's dreaming. I'll buy every PCGS graded MS67DCAM SMS Jefferson you have for that $350-$400 number you just tossed out. Hell, I'll even go $450.

Russ, NCNE >>


oh,i see...you da exputt and market-maker now.....skew-me.....i had no idea....

stephunter

"oh,i see...you da exputt and market-maker now.....skew-me.....i had no idea.... "

I am definitely no expert, but I think the last two 1967 SMS Jeffersons in 67 Dcam went for about $900 each on Teletrade. Not that I need to comment for Russ. Just putting my 2 cents in.

Russ

<< <i>but I think the last two 1967 SMS Jeffersons in 67 Dcam went for about $900 each on Teletrade. >>



One went for $900, the other for $1300.

Russ, NCNE

doop

<< <i>

<< <i>but I think the last two 1967 SMS Jeffersons in 67 Dcam went for about $900 each on Teletrade. >>



One went for $900, the other for $1300.

Russ, NCNE >>


and we appreciate the overpaid patronizm,even if it were in an anonymous environment..thank you !

Russ

stephunter,

I should have checked the cert numbers. The sales were actually the same coin; sold the first time at $1300 and the second time at $900.



<< <i>and we appreciate the overpaid patronizm,even if it were in an anonymous environment..thank you ! >>



Yeah, right, doops.

Russ, NCNE

stephunter

Here is my Ngc 67 Ultra Cam





The picture of the obverse is not that great. Tough to get a nice picture of these.

RGL

A big old, Johnny hasn't been around lately you SUCK, to Russ ... He was just living for the day he made a DCAM Jeff to shut me up about the DCAM SMS JFK I made. And, he had to grind it in to boot, with a second. Congrats Russ, those are tough buggers to make ... tougher than a JFK, IMHO!

Coinerww

Congrats.

TAP444

super jpb Russ, congradulations
Tim