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Thank you for your numerous "welcomes" responsding to my first post. Thanks also to Sequitur for posting pictures of two slabbed 1951 cameo cents. My interest is same stems from a raw 1951 cent I picked up in a proof set at last year. It has nice reflective fields and frosted devices. The lower half of the reverse has slight peripheral multicolored toning and unfortunately a few small carbon spots. Comparing it to the two posted pictures only increases my curiosity as to whether it would merit a cameo designation from PCGS or NGC.
For forum members who have searched for raw 1950-1970 cameos, I am curious about your experiences. I have looked for these coins for 5-6 years for placement into sets covering 1950-1970 for each of the five denominations. The coins that I have found have some level of frost on the devices and fields that contrast with the devices. The levels of frost and mirrors range from slight to breathtaking. Some would not merit a cameo designation from a TPG.
The coins that I have not been able to locate to date are:
cents - 1953, 1965 & 1967 (these 3 coins with frosted devices have been found, yet they lack adequately mirrored fields); and 1958 & 1960 small date;
nickels - 1950, 1951, 1953 & 1957 (these 4 coins have been found with some level of frost on the devices on one side of the coins but not both); and 1966 & 1967 (these two coins have been found with nicely frosted devices but inadequate mirrors);
dimes - 1950, 1954, 1955, 1958 & 1959; and 1957 (this coin has been found with an intensely frosted obverse and a brilliant reverse); and 1967 (this coin has been found with an nicely frosted and mirrored obverse and a brilliant reverse);
quarters - 1950; and 1952 & 1956 (these two coins have been found with nicely frosted and mirrored obverses and brilliant reverses); and
halves - 1950 (of course); and 1952 & 1957 (these two coins have been found with nicely frosted and mirrored obverses and brilliant reverses); and 1956 Type 1 (have only found one such coins in brilliant condition only); and 1961 double die (have never found one)
With respect to the halves, I like the Franklins and the 1964-70 Kennedies equally. The 1964 accented hair Kennedy is a great variety and finding a cameo example of same is a thrill. The 1966 SMS Cameo Kennedies I have seen do not have the same quality of mirrored fields as the cameo 1967 (understandable) and the cameo 1965 (surprising) that I have seen.
Again, for those forum members who are also interested in the 1950-1970 cameos, what is your experience in hunting for raw examples of these coins? Further, though I have not pursued slabbed examples of these coins, what is your experience in hunting for slabbed examples of same? Further, for those who have obtained raw examples and submitted same to a TPG for grading, in general have the grades assigned fallen short of, met or exceeded your own grading opinion? and has the experience made you a better grader?
In addition to 1950-1970, I have also looked into the 1936-42 proof series in general and cameos in particular. To date I have seen a 1942 raw cent that has medium frost, a 1942 NGC half with frosted fields and brilliant, yet hazy devices and a 1936 dime with a frosted reverse.
Looking forward to any responses.
P.S. My interest in the hobby extends beyond the above discussed cameos, however, it is one of my favorites and thus my first topic of discussion.
Thank you for your numerous "welcomes" responsding to my first post. Thanks also to Sequitur for posting pictures of two slabbed 1951 cameo cents. My interest is same stems from a raw 1951 cent I picked up in a proof set at last year. It has nice reflective fields and frosted devices. The lower half of the reverse has slight peripheral multicolored toning and unfortunately a few small carbon spots. Comparing it to the two posted pictures only increases my curiosity as to whether it would merit a cameo designation from PCGS or NGC.
For forum members who have searched for raw 1950-1970 cameos, I am curious about your experiences. I have looked for these coins for 5-6 years for placement into sets covering 1950-1970 for each of the five denominations. The coins that I have found have some level of frost on the devices and fields that contrast with the devices. The levels of frost and mirrors range from slight to breathtaking. Some would not merit a cameo designation from a TPG.
The coins that I have not been able to locate to date are:
cents - 1953, 1965 & 1967 (these 3 coins with frosted devices have been found, yet they lack adequately mirrored fields); and 1958 & 1960 small date;
nickels - 1950, 1951, 1953 & 1957 (these 4 coins have been found with some level of frost on the devices on one side of the coins but not both); and 1966 & 1967 (these two coins have been found with nicely frosted devices but inadequate mirrors);
dimes - 1950, 1954, 1955, 1958 & 1959; and 1957 (this coin has been found with an intensely frosted obverse and a brilliant reverse); and 1967 (this coin has been found with an nicely frosted and mirrored obverse and a brilliant reverse);
quarters - 1950; and 1952 & 1956 (these two coins have been found with nicely frosted and mirrored obverses and brilliant reverses); and
halves - 1950 (of course); and 1952 & 1957 (these two coins have been found with nicely frosted and mirrored obverses and brilliant reverses); and 1956 Type 1 (have only found one such coins in brilliant condition only); and 1961 double die (have never found one)
With respect to the halves, I like the Franklins and the 1964-70 Kennedies equally. The 1964 accented hair Kennedy is a great variety and finding a cameo example of same is a thrill. The 1966 SMS Cameo Kennedies I have seen do not have the same quality of mirrored fields as the cameo 1967 (understandable) and the cameo 1965 (surprising) that I have seen.
Again, for those forum members who are also interested in the 1950-1970 cameos, what is your experience in hunting for raw examples of these coins? Further, though I have not pursued slabbed examples of these coins, what is your experience in hunting for slabbed examples of same? Further, for those who have obtained raw examples and submitted same to a TPG for grading, in general have the grades assigned fallen short of, met or exceeded your own grading opinion? and has the experience made you a better grader?
In addition to 1950-1970, I have also looked into the 1936-42 proof series in general and cameos in particular. To date I have seen a 1942 raw cent that has medium frost, a 1942 NGC half with frosted fields and brilliant, yet hazy devices and a 1936 dime with a frosted reverse.
Looking forward to any responses.
P.S. My interest in the hobby extends beyond the above discussed cameos, however, it is one of my favorites and thus my first topic of discussion.
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<< <i>The 1964 accented hair Kennedy is a great variety and finding a cameo example of same is a thrill. >>
Clearly, you are a collector of excellent breeding and sophisticated taste.
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<< <i>Clearly, you are a collector of excellent breeding and sophisticated taste. >>
The 57 Roosie will very often show light frost on the reverse and a DCAM obverse,pretty common coin.
The 57 Frankie is pretty common in high grade cameos,nice,but a real frosty one is gonna be a DCAM
the 56 Frankie type 1,is almost non-existent in Cameo,Type 2 is much more common.
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