Anybody who dealt with Proof69Eagles or red68

MICHAELDIXON

Anybody who has dealt with this person and didn't receive their coins or a refund, needs to get together. There is absolutely NO use in trying to contact him via PM, as I am sure his account was de-activated. There were several complaints and I personally contacted PCGS and asked his account be de-activated. After defrauding you guys, why would he want to come back to the boards?? I DID NOT deal with this person.
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I recommend you all get together, compare what happened, simultaneously file formal U.S. Postal Service mail fraud complaints and also file fraud complaints with the attorney general in the state in which he resides. It is important that you file these simultaneously in order to show a pattern. If one files a complaint and next month one files a complaint, the name doesn't seem familiar to the investigators. If they go in at about the same time, it will help your chances of something being done. I have gone to a person's (not Proof69eagles) state attorney general over not receiving a coin and it was resolved quickly.
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You cannot be Mister NiceGuy! Go after this guy and show him you won't tolerate what he has done. If you don't he will resurface and repeat what he did to you. Do you want that to happen to somebody else?

Goober

As an added note, he was the guy always selling material he supposedly, "just bought", so he was letting you have his loss, but yet his material was all raw and not worth the asking.

ajia

I was contacted by a member who dealt with him as I dealt with red68 with similar results. In the thread I was taken by red68, Proof69Eagle supported red68, even to the point of saying there were images on the thread when I KNOW there weren't any.
I asked if the 2 weren't one in the same person.

What did I find out?

Proof69Eagle=Jerome Ruffin
red68=Kenneth Ruffin

My, my, my.......what a surprise!

I'm in if we include good ol' Kenny, I did not deal with Jerry.

Thanks Mike for doing something we should have done sooner.

Oh, & they're from Fayetteville, NC

MICHAELDIXON

I contacted PCGS on July 16th and asked Proof69Eagles' account be deactivated. Everybody who got defrauded by either Proof69Eagles or red68 needs to get together and do something! If you don't they will do it to somebody else.

ajia

I will contact the members that have contacted me to see if we can continue the momentum.

DennisH

I bought a rare Morgan variety for $700. What he sent wasn't a rare Morgan variety... it was the common variety worth about $12. Returned the coin immediately via insured Priority mail and haven't heard squat.

The Paypal account name the money went to was Edna Ruffin.

Oh yeah, and I filed a fraud complaint with PayPal. They refused to do anything and closed the complaint.

I have a close collector friend here locally who is retired from the Post Office; I'm going to find out what he knows about filing a Postal Fraud complaint.

MICHAELDIXON

Here is an address for a Postal Service Mail Fraud complaint form. Click for mail fraud form

Bothuwui

I was one of those taken. I bought a supposed DMPL MS65 Morgan, what I got was a $15 common date run-of-the-mill Morgan. I returned it and never got a refund or heard another word from him. I'll file a complaint as well.

ajia

There seems to be at least 3 different alias', or 2 male/1 female name floating around for these threads.
How do we coordinate so that the complaint list all 3 (or more).
Not that we need more ammo, but isn't this a conspiracy to commit these crimes?
Mike, is this why you said we should simultaneously file the formal U.S. Postal Service compliant?

These are the names (alias') so far

red68:Kenneth Ruffin

Proof69Eagle:Jerome Ruffin (mail-have address if needed)
Edna Ruffin (paypal account)

My understanding is that the paypal account for Eagle69Proof was closed, by whom I don't know, but it seems paypal has been no help in resolving this matter....guess we did not pay the extra 'blood money' for them to make the extra effort.

ibzman350

I have dealt with Proof69Eagle 6/25/04 and he delivered

and the PM's I recieved from him were signed as Kevin.


Herb

DennisH

Kevin Ruffin is the name I received PMs from

MICHAELDIXON

I know more people were ripped off by this guy who don't want to come forward. Please, Please, don't be embarrassed. You don't have to post to this message, contact ajia or Dennis and help get this guy before he does major harm to the hobby! If he sold you an MS65 Morgan and you received an XF/AU, take a stand.

Bothuwui

Alright, I need advice. What should I do next? I got my mail fraud report printed out and I'm about to fill it out. I used paypal and returned the coin via insured USPS with delivery confirmation. What other evidence should I try and gather? Should I be waiting for other people before I submit my report? First time I've been scammed, so I'm a little unsure of how to handle it.

K6AZ

I've just pulled all the BST threads this guy posted, and this was an enormous scam. For those of you who have been swindled, go ahead and file the mail fraud complaints. In addition to that, I suggest calling the detective division of the Fayetteville Police, their number is 910-433-1851. Mail fraud complaints take some time, but complaints to this criminal's local police department should see some fast action. Be prepared to fax all your documents, and provide this creep's address. Good luck to you guys who got ripped.

ddbird

i was going to buy this coin...the photo looked great!

<<DMPL MS65 Morgan,>>


At the last minute I decided against it, it looked alittle lower quality than i was lookin for.

coinlieutenant

He PM'd once asking for a reverse of a coin I was selling...

He said his name was Kevin..

Russ

I did a deal with Proof69Eagles that went just fine. I was selling, though, not buying and he paid in advance via PayPal.

This guy sure seemed on the up and up to me and I've got a damned good radar. Just confirms what Eric said - a very slick operator.

Russ, NCNE

HTubbs

I had a wanted to buy thread that he responded to,he offered a 1856 XF 25C for $55 delivered.He had a picture and the coin had rim problems,nicks,etc.And on top of that the jerk wanted me to paypal him the money first!
BTW he said his name was Kevin.

DCAM

I had a positive sale with him early July. The payment went to Paypal ID jruffin1@nc.rr.com, he signed e-mails "Kevin."

Rampage

Well, now you have four names.

Is it possible that there is a Kevin who is honest? Could be the other two tried to do dishonest things under Kevin's ID?

Just a thought.

I am very sorry to hear of the folks who got ripped. That is why I do not like doing business with new members. No offense to those of you who are honest.

Richard.

DennisH

The guy had 330+ posts. That didn't strike me as new. That's what makes this whole mess extra annoying.

Mistercoinman

I had two transactions with him, one I was the seller, the other a buyer. I though both went ok, the coin I purchased was an over-graded raw coin but for $8. I did not make a fuss. I have his address, and I believe Edna maybe his wife, both names are on the paypal account, with an confirmed address.

ajia

Has anyone contacted the Police yet?
I work were I can conference call, if those that were effected want to call the Police together I can do that, we just need to select a time Thursday or Friday that we can do this.
If you are interested PM me & I'll try to set up a time.

spy88

As many of you may remember, I was the one who bought a 1968-D MS70FS Jefferson from Kevin Ruffin off eBay. Payment was made to an Edna Ruffin. This was back in March. His id was bigshoppa2003---has since changed it to bigshoppa2004.

I started a thread asking if anyone had info as to the value of this coin should it prove to indeed be a FS...grade not withstanding. Someone from this forum with a grudge against me or just wanted to mix things up, emailed him with my thread for whatever reason. This is probably how he learned of a potential site to pull more scams. My thread was titled "1968-D Jefferson---Story and Pics" dated April 7, 2004 if you care to read it.

At the same time, a dealer in Hawaii (Kipps Coins/Bison Rarities) got scammed for close to $300 for a different date FS Jefferson. He was mad as hell but let it go. I proceeded to attempt mediation to no avail. I then filed with eBay for a "grossly misrepresented item", a claim with IFCC for internet fraud and USPS for mail fraud. Haven't heard word one from any of them.

I still and will always want to face this a**hole getting satisfaction one way or the other, but figure it'll happen by someone elses fist.

David

Sequitur

I post the following because I hate to see good people get taken.

The following link is an enormous thread from another website about a laptop deal which, much like Proof69Eagles, was a massive fraud.

The people on the linked site banded together, hounded the authorities, and pursued the fraudster with a vengeance. The result? The feds got involved, the culprits were arrested and charged, and now the criminal is set to plead guilty and go to prison for a number of years.

I respectfully suggest PCGS forum members follow their lead and pursue this, collectively, until this criminal is arrested and charged. As the linked thread will show, your collective actions can indeed result in justice.

endzone

I sure hope you guys do band together, just as Michael Dixon and a few
others have said! Hopefully you can at least let it be known to the
authorities, that this guy should be investigated thoroughly.
If he does it once, who's to say if he won't do it again, or maybe even has
done it a lot in the past?

I am writing on this topic, because I too, was scammed along with hundreds
of other ebay buyers, in the Bullionone scam, from a few years ago.
That particular seller took hundreds of thousands of dollars from ebayers
and to this day, he still hasn't been brought to justice.

The FBI in Peoria, IL are not with it!

rkfish

Good morning all,

If you feel you have been scammed by this individual(s) I would appreciate you taking the time to PM me the following information:

Your(name, phone#), what was your purchase and date, How much you paid and date, method of payment, did you receive it and date, did you return it and date, any contact with seller (dates if yes), and anything else you feel is important.

I have been employed by a State Law Enforcement agency for 21 years of which the last 12 (and currently) as an officer. If you have reservations about sending me the information requested (which I would understand completely) please PM me and I'll forward you references from this board.

FrankinWI

I too had a transaction with Proof69eagles on 4 BU morgans. Only one of the Morgans BU, the rest were EF. He never responded to any PM's or emails. I tried getting a refund through Paypal, which was a total waste of my time. Rather than return them and risk losing everything, I sold them to my local dealer at a loss.

As I stated to other board members via PM, had Proof69eagles or any of his other aliases posted more items for sale, I would have made this public before now. He was already long gone by the time I found out I had been taken.

Frank

Russ

<< <i>As many of you may remember, I was the one who bought a 1968-D MS70FS Jefferson from Kevin Ruffin off eBay. Payment was made to an Edna Ruffin. This was back in March. His id was bigshoppa2003---has since changed it to bigshoppa2004. >>



I'll be damned! This is the same slimeball!

Russ, NCNE

spy88

Hey Russ,

Yup---same POS. As is wife, brothers, sisters, cousins, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, cats, etc. Anyone with the last name of Ruffin is on my sh*tlist.

David

MICHAELDIXON

Is everybody getting together on this situation?

coinshunter

Like others I was taken by proof69eagles and my cashiers check was made payable to Jerome Ruffin of 226 Elliot Bridge Rd. Fayetteville NC 28311. I got this phone number and when I called a Kevin answered the phone. For you of those that have been taken try calling 910-828-9996.
Good Luck
Allan

MICHAELDIXON

Everybody,
Please take Eric's (K6AZ) advice:
"I've just pulled all the BST threads this guy posted, and this was an enormous scam. For those of you who have been swindled, go ahead and file the mail fraud complaints. In addition to that, I suggest calling the detective division of the Fayetteville Police, their number is 910-433-1851. Mail fraud complaints take some time, but complaints to this criminal's local police department should see some fast action. Be prepared to fax all your documents, and provide this creep's address. Good luck to you guys who got ripped. "
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As John Walsh from America's Most Wanted says: "You can make a difference!"

MICHAELDIXON

Would anybody care to update us on the happenings in this? You can PM me if you'd like. Thanks!

Compa

Hummmm

I met Kevin and his brother at a coin show here in Raleigh back in June. Both are red-heads if that says anything

Seemed like good people but obviously you can't always tell.

MICHAELDIXON

Maybe somebody can take a picture of Proof69Eagles and/or red68 in their orange jumpsuits when they are arrested!

TWQG

If the victims follow through, these guys are cooked.

MICHAELDIXON

Any updates to this story???

ajia

Any updates...let's not let this go.
I've filed my complaint, has anybody else?

UncleWiggly

What state and county do these people live in?

Jerry

coinshunter

Jerry PM sent
Allan

ajia

Jerry,
Here's my expierence with Red68,
Taken for a ride!

and this too...
Spy88's thread.