Identification help please.

goldrush00013

Can anyone tell me what this copper coin is?
Many thanks in advance!

goldrush00013

Sorry about the double post.

coachleonard

Looks like a 1622 German states copper coin-- on the other hand, the lack of any kind of legend is puzzling, and so is that '84'

goldrush00013

<< <i>Looks like a 1622 German states copper coin-- on the other hand, the lack of any kind of legend is puzzling, and so is that '84' >>




Yes I'm finding this all puzzling myself.

lordmarcovan

The arms appear to match those of Nurnberg, but the only coins I see listed for them in the 17th century Krause are thalers and gold.

I don't have time for much sleuthing at the moment, but if nobody else solves the riddle, I'll have another crack at it later. I do love a challenge.

That "84" on the reverse is indeed most interesting.

Askari

It's a Nurnberg "Kipper" -- a copper 1/84th Gulden listed as KM-46; before 1621, they were made of silver. I think this one was made by the mintmaster Hans Putzer, whose issues were the more common of the three that are found for 1622; this would mean it's worth (according to Krause) $8 in VG, $15 F, $25 VF, $40 XF.

lordmarcovan

lordmarcovan

...but I still don't see it in Krause. My 17th century volume is a First Edition. It starts the Nurnberg section off with a thaler.