1958 & 1959 Topps collectors
BillBob
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Recently my dentist showed me his baseball card collection from when he was a kid. It consists of cards from 1958 through 1963 with a heavy emphasis on 1958. I was wearing my contacts so the condition was hard to pinpoint.
I want to work with him on getting some of his cards graded and then purchase some of them, and I want to be fair with him on the price. I was wondering if there was some kind of formula I could use based on SMR and population for certain cards in different grades.
For example (I am not pretending to be accurate here):
1958s PSA 7 pop less than 10 - SMR + 100%
1958s Ted Williams All-Star PSA 6 - SMR + 20%
etc.
A rule of thumb is good, but the more specific the better. I really want to be fair with this guy (after all my dental health is in his hands).
The cards I am particularly interested in are the 1958 and 1959 All-Star cards. The condition of the cards appears to be from PSA 1 to possibly PSA 8 (again hard to tell with the contacts). I doubt there are any 9s. The interesting thing was the number of copies he had of the 1958 All-Stars (3 williams, 6 Musials, etc.).
Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. My only source for historical prices is eBay but that does not go back very far.
I apologize in advance if I do not reply for a while because my wife works on the computer all day and I have to wait until evening to get back on here.
I want to work with him on getting some of his cards graded and then purchase some of them, and I want to be fair with him on the price. I was wondering if there was some kind of formula I could use based on SMR and population for certain cards in different grades.
For example (I am not pretending to be accurate here):
1958s PSA 7 pop less than 10 - SMR + 100%
1958s Ted Williams All-Star PSA 6 - SMR + 20%
etc.
A rule of thumb is good, but the more specific the better. I really want to be fair with this guy (after all my dental health is in his hands).
The cards I am particularly interested in are the 1958 and 1959 All-Star cards. The condition of the cards appears to be from PSA 1 to possibly PSA 8 (again hard to tell with the contacts). I doubt there are any 9s. The interesting thing was the number of copies he had of the 1958 All-Stars (3 williams, 6 Musials, etc.).
Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. My only source for historical prices is eBay but that does not go back very far.
I apologize in advance if I do not reply for a while because my wife works on the computer all day and I have to wait until evening to get back on here.
Bill Roberts
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<< <i>For example (I am not pretending to be accurate here):
1958s PSA 7 pop less than 10 - SMR + 100%
1958s Ted Williams All-Star PSA 6 - SMR + 20% >>
I'm confused. You're saying you would pay him double SMR for the low pops and SMR+20% for the Ex-Mt Williams? That's certainly very generous. You can do a lot better than that on eBay -- or at a reputable dealer's table, buying a large lot of commons.
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I'm confused. You're saying you would pay him double SMR for the low pops and SMR+20% for the Ex-Mt Williams? That's certainly very generous. You can do a lot better than that on eBay -- or at a reputable dealer's table, buying a large lot of commons. >>
He's asking how much should he pay based upon his assessment of the grade. He doesn't know pricing of the set, or how accurate SMR is. So he is asking for a guideline on what a "fair" price to pay is.
~ms
The #1 T. Williams card is tough but the SMR factors this in
The few major/minor stars that I would pay a premium in PSA 8 (above SMR) include:
Bob Lemon- toughest card in the set IMHO in both white and yellow variations- good luck acquiring in high grade
Duke Snider actually a major star!- don't see it centered very often for a star card compared to other stars in the set.
Dick Williams
Newcombe
Zimmer
Colavito- has a following of fans!
Roseboro
Red Sox TEAM
Cleveland TEAM
Dodgers TEAM
B. Richardson - has a following- some people (including myself) think its the nicest card/pose in the set
most yankees except Carey, Grim, Cicotte in high grade (PSA 8)
yellow letters in premium condition (7 or better)
numerical team cards in premium condition (6 or better)
low pop PSA "8"s
current ebay price for PSA 7 common is 10-15$, unless its first series 15-25$-- there is very little markup yet on low pop PSA 7's so you should not pay more than SMR in most cases except for some of the really difficult cards, Yanks, or Dodgers.
current ebay price for typical PSA 8 is 30-60$, unless its first series that can go for 50-80$
low pop PSA 8's are HOT and will go anywhere from 50%-1000% over SMR
I have lived in Cleveland the last 6 years and could not believe the popularity of Rocky in this area- I have gone to some local sports auctions in the area and there is more Rocky stuff than I ever imagined (it sells for a pretty good price too). I think more people collect Rocky stuff than any other 1940s + Cleveland baseball legend. As far as the 1958 Topps series goes, next to the Bobby Richardson card, I think it is one of the nicest looking cards in the set. The pose and coloring make the card stand out and more attractive than his 1957 Rookie card.
I wasn't surprised to see a picture of the 1958 card on the cover of the Book "The Curse of Rocky Colavito"- the publisher probably wanted to put the rookie card on it but the 1957 didn't stand out as nicely as the 1958 card.
I'm moving back to New York in 2 weeks but I'll always cheer for the Tribe.
Well I'm not an Indians fan but I am a Colavito fan. I started collecting cards in 1960 and I chose my favorite players from those cards. Colavito is one player I can afford to collect the complete set of. I hope to go for a 1960 set one day (I have a good start on some HOF cards) but it would have to be mostly PSA 7 and 8 at current prices.
I currently have the #1 Colavito Basic and Master set but still need many of the oddball Colavito cards. If you know anyone in Cleveland with some of them I would love to negotiate for them.