1958 Herrer error cards- Griffins
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Hey,
I read your post that you saw the three 1958 topps Herrer"A" error cards at the 707 display at the national-
I was not impressed with his examples- one was not even graded as an error by PSA but I guess he was claiming it was because a very small amount of the "A" was missing. Moreover, the other two PSA graded examples also had a significant amount of the "A" visible including one with the vast majority of it visible.
In your example is the "A" visible and to what extent (if it is).
The previous example I saw (picture in magazine and on internet) of this card did not show any of the "A" visible!
Finally, I posted this once but any comments on the guy who is selling his 1958 topps complete mid-grade set on Ebay claiming that he is including an error card (one of a kind)-- its a "wrongback" of the Foiles card with a Kaline back- it has generated a whole lot of bids so far on Ebay for a complete set that is mostly ungraded.
I read your post that you saw the three 1958 topps Herrer"A" error cards at the 707 display at the national-
I was not impressed with his examples- one was not even graded as an error by PSA but I guess he was claiming it was because a very small amount of the "A" was missing. Moreover, the other two PSA graded examples also had a significant amount of the "A" visible including one with the vast majority of it visible.
In your example is the "A" visible and to what extent (if it is).
The previous example I saw (picture in magazine and on internet) of this card did not show any of the "A" visible!
Finally, I posted this once but any comments on the guy who is selling his 1958 topps complete mid-grade set on Ebay claiming that he is including an error card (one of a kind)-- its a "wrongback" of the Foiles card with a Kaline back- it has generated a whole lot of bids so far on Ebay for a complete set that is mostly ungraded.
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That's basically the whole problem with a broken die error card, isn't it? How much of the letter is visible or not.
On an interesting corrolary - the vast amounts of altered T206 "Nodgrass" error cards perpetrated by (greenhornet007, I though...) that found their way into graded card holders many moons ago is quite problematic. The end result of that debacle is that significant premiums are paid for T206 Nodgrass cards where a partial "S" is visible. If it does not have some S there, it sells for much less, due to a cloud of suspicion surrounding the card.
You don't see too many 1950s wrongbacks anymore - but they don't have a huge following, either...
My Herrer has no "A" at the end at all. It is a PSA 5, that I had graded after buying it raw as part of a '58 set in Mastro a few years back (on a side note at the time I couldn't decide whether to get the '58 set with the yellow letter variations or the Herrer- I had only been back in the hobby a year or so. Glad I guessed right, the YL's took me all of a week to pick up) Levi and Jim have handled a few of them and I got the impression they are all a bit different. It seems like as the press run was ongoing the plate was blocking up, bit by bit. He had one what was "Herre" and one that was almost "Herr".
I was told by someone that one had sold in pretty high grade a few years back for over 10K, and a few had gone for 5-8K in lesser condition. I do know that none have come up for public sale in auction catalogs in the last 3 years.
If you'd like a scan of mine shoot me a pm and I"m happy to send it out.
Anthony
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I would love to own this card
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That is about what mine looks like in regards to the "Herrer" part.
Levi has 3 if you need one- bring your Visa card!
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
I'm highly confident (getting old though - so the memory is not what it used to be) that BMW had the PSA 8 version of the card that was listed in the $10k range. I'm pretty sure they sold it - and it was long enough ago that it was before they were big SGC champions.
Best,
~ms
I want to say December 1998.
the scan above is the one I am use to seeing and it was what I was "expecting" to see in the display box at the National- I was just very surprised to see the differences in the variation. I guess you can call it variations of a variation!
Griffins,
glad to hear yours lacks any real hint of the "A" as I would assume this would be more valuable IMHO- nice choice when picking up the set at the auction.
About 4 months ago I was at a card show and saw a 1958 yellow letter Del Ennis Card that had this funky looking double transfer of the color. I almost bought it... I couldn't decide whether the card was just junk or truly represents an "error" in the market place. I guess there is a fine line.
Thanks again
Marc,
CDC4 posted the following on the 1958 Herrer error thread:
"If you look back at the archives of Superior Auctions from 1998-1999 you'll find where Wentz got the card. I want to say December 1998."
This is inaccurate. The Superior card sold in December of 1999. Here is a link to the auction:
Superior Herrer
The card that we owned was submitted raw (by us) and later sold to a private collector in January of 1999. Here is a link to the 1958 Herrer error (PSA 8) that we once owned:
BMW's 58 Hererr
If you get some time, I would appreciate it if you could post this correction. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Michael
FYI: As far as I know, there are at least five different known "Herrer" variations including: 1. "Herr" (with part of the "e"), 2. "Herre" (with part of the "r"), 3. Herrer (no "a"), 4. Herrer (partial "a"), 5. Herrera ("a" faded at very edge of letter).
433 PANCHO HERRERA HERRER 2 2 1 1 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 11
CARD NO NAME VARIETY 1-2 3-4 5 6 7 7Q 8 8Q 9 9Q 10
edited to add - I see now that BMW's is not labeled as such. Weird that PSA would mislabel a flip on a card as important as this one.
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One thing for sure is that the 1958 topps PSA Population report is a complete mess!
<< <i>That didn't post as clearly as I would have liked, but 1 8 and 1 8Q - wtf?
edited to add - I see now that BMW's is not labeled as such. Weird that PSA would mislabel a flip on a card as important as this one. >>
Mudflap - I am certainly not defending PSA, as I don't agree with many of their decisions and/or processes. That being said - things have changed a lot over the past 5 years - and both Herrer PSA 8's were graded over five years ago. For a number of years, for example, PSA would just label 1955 Bowman variation cards as the name on the card - never identifying which variation the card was. It is only in the past 2-3 years that they have gotten a lot better about this, and I think that they won't grade them anymore without identifying it as one or the other.
That being said - they still don't routinely grade the Pavlica variation - which is a clear, 100% variation that is easy to see based upon the writings on the back of the card. Argh!
And - variations being important and all - PSA won't grade original T-206 cards based upon the advertising back (exception on Ty Cobb back), despite the fact that Drums, Uzits and BroadLeaf 460s sell for hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. However, PSA has no qualms about grading 2003 Topps T206 cards based upon their advertising back. SILLINESS!!!!