Wich are scarcer??? (Wax Packs or Cello Packs)

Dennis88

Might want to buy some, but wich are scarcer???

Dennis

AlanAllen

It depends on if there have been any major finds for the set you're considering. In most cases, cello is scarcer. In 1959 Topps football (to take a random example), wax is scarcer.

Joe

mudflap02

Might want to specify a year, brand, etc.

If you're thinking about buying 89 Donruss, buy EVERYTHING you can - that stuff will catch fire one day!

Dennis88

I was thinking about 1970's topps. Mainly 1975.

Dennis

BTW what's about 1989 Donruss??

TMc

Both cello and wax before 1970 are scarce. Anything after is not. After 1970 is plentiful, and not much appreciation upside because of the amount of printed material out there. Be careful of reseals. 35% of 1950-1969 ungraded are phonies.

RepublicaninMass

What about these rack packs on ebay the santa clause packs. I have opened more than a few and there are wax stains? Also, some corners of cards in the middle are dog eared? I heard these were opened from leftover wax, and inserted by another company in rack form? Any help???

ctsoxfan

<< <i>If you're thinking about buying 89 Donruss, buy EVERYTHING you can - that stuff will catch fire one day! >>



Don't forget the classic 88 Donruss set, featuring the Craig Jeffries RC. Now that is a set that will go nuts in the near future...mark it down.

I tend to disagree with anything after 1970 being plentiful. The 70's are what I mostly collect, and I have been finding it somewhat difficult to find unopened material from 1970-1975 lately. 1976 and up is around, but prices are often crazy. I tend to find vending boxes more frequently than cello or wax boxes, but GAI packs are available on Ebay with some regularity.

AlanAllen

<< <i>What about these rack packs on ebay the santa clause packs. I have opened more than a few and there are wax stains? Also, some corners of cards in the middle are dog eared? I heard these were opened from leftover wax, and inserted by another company in rack form? Any help??? >>


You got it - the Christmas racks were created by a third party from loose singles, some speculate they were created years later. General consensus amongst wax collectors is that they are junk, and I've never heard of anyone who was happy after breaking one.

Joe

Dennis88

I bought this one:



It's my first old vintage wax pack, and I'm very happy with it

Dennis

Griffins

If you are looking for pre 70's packs keep an eye out for certain years suddenly popping up- a "find" will drive the prices down a bit and you can get some nice packs pretty cheap. About a year ago there were a lot of '60 Leaf packs that look really nice, as well as '63 Topps penny packs.

ctsoxfan

Dennis, are you buying to open them, or to keep them as investment?

Dennis88

I will keep them as an investment first. It depends also on what the market does. If these unopened packs are getting even more popular, I will try to sell it for a profit (after 5 years or so). If the cards self in high-grade will go up, I will open it.

Dennis

mikeschmidt

Dennis:

Two thoughts:

One, this market is hot right now. Prices are often 200 - 300% higher than they were 2-3 years ago. Many would speculate that continuing price increases on those levels are not sustainable.

Second, on opening them up. As value of graded cards from the set rise, often do the value of unopened packs. It's not a 1:1 relationship - but there is not much of a pricing arbitrage available in this market. The price of packs will always be higher than the expected value of what will come out of the packs. That relationship will never change. When it gets too close - people rip more often than they already do.

~ms

honestshawn

This is my unopened pack site....www.honestshawn.com

I see some of you out there like this stuff!