I give - Starting NGC Registry

badger

I give up on crossing coins from NGC. 99% or the coins that I have submitted in the NGC holder (25+) have either not crossed or crossed at lower levels. I just got some back from grading today and I refreshed my memory of the coins in the NGC holders. These are super, eye appeal coins. I even let the grade level float but specified DCAM at any level. These didn't cross either. Some graded three levels lower (68=>65)???

I'm starting an NGC registry with the NGC and PCGS coins rather than continuing to try to cross these to PCGS. I will still keep a PCGS registry, but I feel that collecting coins instead of slabs will tend to shift my attention to the NGC registry.

I recognize that my PCGS coins are high in the grade compared to NGC. I don't want to cross these to NGC, but I am just tired of the game.

melikecoins

I think that there is a build in prejudice against other slabs by the garders (it’s only natural)

Remove them before sending them.

Glen

badger

I'm frustrated that I'm loaded up with top pop NGC coins that don't cross anywhere near top pop.

I'm frustrated that I can't judge the coins for myself better.

I see solutions to both.

ScarsdaleCoin

no worries....

coolkarma

Badger,
I understand your frustration, and I will probably join you at NGC with some of my sets. It sounds like I've had better luck than you (and I do mean luck), but mine have been "nice" coins, not pop tops. As Glen said, there is a natural bias against any other company's slabs. All the incentives for the company are not to cross the coin. If it crosses, they get no more money. If it doesn't cross but should, then someone will submit it again, and again... Particularly if it should be a pop top.

Of course, it also is important to realize the grader probably spends less than a minute looking at the coin while you have spent many, many minutes studying it, or at least I do In most cases, I think the collector is "correct" for his/her chosen series. The collector has taken the time to find all the features of the coin while the grader must base their decision on only the indicators.

My two most disappointing cross attempts were a 1956 NGC 67UltraCam nickel and a 1957 PCI 70UltraCam nickel (for those who don't follow PCI closely, they assert that they use "UltraCam" for deeper cameos that DCams. The 1956 was as nice as the 1956 67DCam that I have in my set, but it did not cross in the holder even though I would have accepted 66DCam. I cracked out the 1957. It was nicer than two 1957 PCGS PR67Cameos that I have purchased and returned (one from DHRC, one from Teletrade), but my 1957 came back PR67 no cam. I'm still looking...

To lighten this up, my two best "crosses" were from PCI to PCGS and from PCGS to PCGS, both after breaking the coins out. The first is my 1956 PCGS 67DCam nickel. In its former life it was a PCI 69DCAM. Very, very few PCI dcam's will cross as dcam's, and many fewer as 67DCam's. The other is my 1954 PCGS 67DCam cent. I first knew it as a PCGS PR66 Cameo. Admittedly, NCS removed a little haze before I resubmitted it. This certainly is one of my favorite coins, in part because of this story.

Richard

CarlWohlforth

I never did successfully cross any cameo proof nickels from the 50s. However I did cross some full step nickels. At the time I thought the NGC Proof Jeffs should have crossed. Now when I dig them out (yes I still have many of them) they just don't have frosty enough devices to cross.

I don't try to cross anything much anymore. My last attempt was to cross a 3 cent silver coin from ICG MS 63. I specified X and any grade. It came back PCGS MS 63 so I was happy with that.

DennisH

I have never crossed a Jefferson nickel from NGC to PCGS at the same grade -- in or out of the holder. I'm beginning to think there's a reason. My favorite piece of evidence that there may be a difference is the 1945-P in MS67, which I've been trying to find for my PCGS Registry set:

-- PCGS has graded 19 coins MS67 (including FS), with none better
-- NGC has graded 220 coins MS67, with 2 better

Hmmmm...

lava

"I recognize that my PCGS coins are high in the grade compared to NGC. I don't want to cross these to NGC, but I am just tired of the game."

You don't need to cross PCGS coins to NGC, as NGC will recognize the PCGS coins.