Elberfeld 1847 City token (?) ID has me stumped

laurentyvan

Elberfeld 1847 one Brod




I've searched Krause and other sources, including the internet and can't find this piece anywhere. Bought it for $10 which seemed in line with other German State tokens of the period.

I've made the assumption that it's a city token rather than a German State token-am I wrong?

Elberfeld is a district of the German town Wuppertal . It was an independant entity at one time but was folded into Wuppertal which is a city in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany; which is fine but I didn't find Wuppertal in Krause either. Elberfeld is basically in the Prussian sphere of influence but I just don't have the references to ID it or ascertain a value.

Thanking you for your efforts ahead of time..

SYRACUSIAN

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sure looks nice.

laurentyvan

I have no idea what you're talking about,

Geez, I didn't think I was being too obtuse here. Just trying to get info on German (what appears to be) tokens.

Askari

I'll check my sources when I get home tonight. It's hard to get info on older tokens, so I may have little or none.

Askari

Menzel M-3556.1 - made of copper and there are 4 known varities. Worth DM 25 in 1993. I imagine "1 Brod" means "1 loaf of bread"; although that's not the modern spelling (= "Brot"), German spelling had not become standardized at that time.




* edited to revise correct spelling to proper misspelling.

laurentyvan

Askari, my thanks.

You have worked your sorcerous ways once more. Could you tell me specifically what Menzel is comprised of as a reference?

lordmarcovan

Score one for the Sorceror!

That's a really neat piece. It would have stumped me, too, though.

Askari

References are a key part of successful magic!

Menzel is the main cataloguer of German tokens since about 1840. There are 3 volumes: the first two consecutively list tokens by cities alphabetically; the 3rd contains tokens used outside of Germany proper and those which have not been identified as to their origin.