Fake Gretzky rookie on ebay

goodriddance189

this guy has almost 1000 feedbacks with 99.9% positive, so he obviously knows what he's doing. should i email him warning him that his card is fake? or should i just report him to ebay, show them the evidence, and get him NARU'ed?

auction link

NickM

good - what is the evidence? I'm not very familiar with counterfeits of this card (beyond the fact there are a lot of them).

Nick

aro13

nickm - In this case the fact there is no yellow print dot on Gretzky's left shoulder is a dead giveaway the card is a counterfeit.
I have dealt with this seller before, he seemed above board. Topps cards do not have the dot but all OPC cards have the yellow dot.

goodriddance189

real cards have a small yellow printing dot on the right shoulder. this is one of those unmarked fake gretzkys that are sold for $2 apiece in bulk.

phreakydancin

<< <i>nickm - In this case the fact there is no yellow print dot on Gretzky's left shoulder is a dead giveaway the card is a counterfeit.
I have dealt with this seller before, he seemed above board. Topps cards do not have the dot but all OPC cards have the yellow dot. >>


Not that I'm doubting you guys, but nowhere does it state that this is the OPC version... the title says both "Topps" and "OPC" and in the body, it doesn't specify except to say that he "will be auctioning many other Wayne Gretzky Opee-Chee Cards this week".

He has a bunch of PSA graded copies... could it just be that this is a genuine ungraded Topps?

goodriddance189

it's not a Topps. i own a ton of 79 Topps, and the card stock is different. it's a wannabe OPC

fsjeter

O.K. goodriddance and aro13. There seems to be a difference of opinion. Is the print dot on the left or right shoulder (not that it matters in this instance since there is no print dot at all in the scan).

Scott

goodriddance189

real McCoy- notice the yellow dot in the right shoulder

Aknot

Look a little closer people Im sure you can see the yellow dot...:

EagleEyeKid

Yup, it's a wannabe fake. You see so many of these on Ebay and it doesn't stop. Usually, a lot of the description says "sold as is.....I'm not a grader and blah, blah, blah". His just says "no refund", he'll exchange only....so he'll exchange it for another fake. Goodriddance is correct. It's gotta have the dot on the shoulder. There is no way out of it as that card will never have one without it. From the large scan, the paper stock is way too thin....and I bet the back is super white as well (fake). Goodriddance, although I have seen a few fakes with the dot on his shoulder. With the dot, you're 50% there. I've ran across a few that had "red" in the ice part of the card. Under a loupe, it looks like a red haze and the name "Wayne Gretzky" were in matrix dots.
Once again, never buy Gretzkys, Jordan, Lemieux, Roy, or Orr in raw and especially if it looks too clean. These are all being pumped out in Canada and dumped here then via Ebay.

EagleEyeKid

Good one Aknot. You dork!

aro13

The lack of a print dot on the left shoulder is one indicator the card is fake. No print dot, no real Gretz. However, there are other telltale signs even without the print dot as eagleeye kid has pointed out.

goodriddance189 - Is that your Gretzky?

Stone193

<< <i>Look a little closer people Im sure you can see the yellow dot...: >>





Stone

envoy98

Also of note is the persons face over his right shoulder (on our left) should be visible and relatively obvious. On MOST fakes, you can't hardly see a shadow letalone a persons face. Also, as EagleEye pointed out, the ice, especially under Gretzky's skate will have a lot of red dots, and the ice, for the most part will be made up of a lot of blue and red dots. The edges are awfully clean for this card and the black circly around "Oilers" is usually good, but under a loupe is visibly made up of multiple colored dots, not a solid black line. Luckily, any card with a lot of black is a pretty easy tell under a loupe if it's real or not. This is a perfect example. And if he's selling "Many" of them, or has sold any in the past...they're probably fakes as well. how many Gretzky OPC rookies do you own? Or Jordan rookies or.... And would you sell all 5..10..25...100 of them on ebay without getting a single one graded? would you sell them for $200 when they book 400..600 or 1000? Or more if graded? Didn't think so.

Beckett actually has a great article, actually several, on how to spot the varying counterfeits of this, Jordan and other rookie cards prone to counterfeiting.

Also, sellers try to hide behind the word "reprint", reprints are generally licensed and someone gets some $$ off of them. A counterfeit is illegal, made in some guys basement for the purpose of making him money. Of course there are the big time print shops that probably reporduce these things after hours as well...

goodriddance189

<< <i> goodriddance189 - Is that your Gretzky? >>



nope, it's Ray Millette's. i collect ultra high end expensive cards vicariously through stealing scans and saving em on to my computer (i've never used the serial numbers or anything, just a virtual gallery of cards i can never afford).

raym8

Will,

I expect you will be making a paypal payment to me shortly for the copyrighted use of my scan

aro13

raym8 - Congratulations on the Richard rookie. That is a very tough card in NMMT condition.

JrMacdaddy

Auction ended with the BIN.

Rather interesting Ebay user that purchased it, "thisguyissellingfakesbutthiefbaywontenforce"

shagrotn77

I have a PSA 9 (NQ) Gretzky OPC rookie. Just out of curiosity, I examined it with a loupe and there is a small red line outlining the bottom of Gretzky's left skate (on the right). There are no red dots or red haze on the ice. The card has the yellow dot on the shoulder and the rough cut and Gretzky's name is not written in 'matrix' dots. The circle over Oilers is solid black under the loupe. Lastly, the holder does not appear to be compromised in any way. Am I being paranoid, or do I have anything to worry about?

raym8

Albie,
Thanks. I am very, very happy with the pocket rocket card. A definite high-end 8, and one that won't be leaving my collection for
a long time.

Andy,
I don't believe you have anything to worry about, but I will put mine under the loop this evening and let you know what I find. In addition to what EagleEye stated, some other fake OPC Gretzky's can be identified from the back of the card. On a real card, you should be able to easily see the line of where the hair and head overlap on the cartoon image of the boy. A fake card will not show any overlap at all.

EagleEyeKid

Shagrot, it sounds like you have the real deal. If the name Wayne Gretzkky doesn't have matrix dot (under a loupe), and it has the dot; you're about there. Check the solid black line that goes around the card on front (with a loupe). If it's jagged (fake); if it's solid and smooth....you have a winner.

BTW; the guy who used the BIN (interesting ID name) was probably fed up and took it into his own hands.

goodriddance189

<< <i>Will,

I expect you will be making a paypal payment to me shortly for the copyrighted use of my scan >>



in the spirit of my stealing scans, i'll send you a scan of a $100 bill as payment

raym8

Andy,

Just took a close look at my Gretzky under the loop. Mine basically mirrors yours, except the front toe of his skate is actually blue dots, while the red dots line the bottom side. I would say that you could rest easy about your card.

BTW, looks like the seller has re-listed the card......



Back for second go round....

phreakydancin

<< <i>Item has ended (thisizacounterfeit is the winner) >>



Someone's definitely out to get this guy!

You notice the seller even has the cajones to put the PSA logo in his auction?

shagrotn77

Thanks Ray. Now I can sleep tonight!

envoy98

That's funny. Probably some guy that got taken for a high-dollar on one before and just found out it was a fake. I hope he ends every one of this guys auctions. Good for him I say!