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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i emailed him and asked for a scan of the back.. i told him I had $4500 in PayPal right now..
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    he just responded and told me 4500 not enough, $6500 is the reserve.. i told him O.K. send me a scan with your hand and i'll do $6500.. i told him to look at my feedback..
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  • Nice find, this one makes little sense. Near perfect feedback and now he's trying to sell a card that's already on eBay? Stuff like this makes me want to change my IP and create a vigilante account.

    Brian
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    yeah, it appears like he's actually bought & sold some decent cards.. but it DOES appear to be the same guy, because its the same type of description as everything else he sells..
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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    does the 10 from 4 corners have a nick or something in the lower right corner?


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    BTW - i'm hoping i dont have wet dreams tonight about the PSA 10 that 4_sharp has!

    looks decent to me..
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  • My thoughts too. Usually the account hijacks are dormant accounts that have no card buying/selling experience. I guess he figures a 1 day auction will be quick enough to not get caught and the reserve makes him appear serious.

    Brian
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    i've pulled 4 of them from wax and vending and have gotten 3 - 8's and 1 - 9 OC... image


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i've got an 8 and several 7's and a buttload of raw in all grades.. every time a 9 pops up, GODSWORK gets it! image .. seemingly regardless of price..
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  • BugOnTheRugBugOnTheRug Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭
    Not quite a year ago, Godswork was the winning bidder on my 9 Henderson. Paid $455.

    I'd love to know who this guy is and how much he's spent on all Henderson cards to date. He definitely is the Henderson mover/shaker.

    BOTR

  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    is he the one that bought the 81t psa 10 last week....


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    ha, looks like the bogus seller has pulled the auction:

    The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale. image


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>is he the one that bought the 81t psa 10 last week.... >>



    no (unbelievably!)..
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>ha, looks like the bogus seller has pulled the auction:

    The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale. image >>



    ha!
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  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭


    << <i>i've got an 8 and several 7's and a buttload of raw in all grades.. every time a 9 pops up, GODSWORK gets it! image .. seemingly regardless of price.. >>



    I had to pay nearly $100 above SMR to get my PSA 9 Rickey. And that's after falling short in a dozen previous auctions in the $250 range. Is this Godswork the fellow who's responsible? My buy was in the late winter, but amazingly SMR still refuses to budge from $175.
  • BugOnTheRugBugOnTheRug Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭
    yep, bogus auction pulled at 12:07AM PST.

    How much did the 81T Henderson psa 10 sell for ?

    BOTR
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    here is what the bogus seller emailed me:

    I sell for a large wherehouse dude, our scanner went down, i used the pic from 4 sharp corners(my card has better centering), i do have the card, my feedback speaks for itself, i don't do shady business, ive had to use 2 pics of other cards in the past few days...i don't like to but hey $hit happens you can't control, reserve price is 6500 if curious
    Brian


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    81t went for over $500...


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    "My scanner's broke and I used someone else's picture, but my card is better. Send me $6500 and you'll be happy. See my feedback."

    I've asked this before: Why do IQ's fall off a cliff with these scammers? I guess the smart ones are the ones we don't talk about here because they get away with it.

    A few days ago people were getting spoof emails asking them to input their eBay ID and password. It looked VERY legit, return address was aw-confirm@ebay.com, and if I hadn't already heard a zillion times that ebay will NEVER ask you in an email for this info I might have fallen for it. I suspect some ebayers did and now their accounts are being used like this. I sent the spoof to ebay, by the way, and they confirmed it was fake.
  • BugOnTheRugBugOnTheRug Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"My scanner's broke and I used someone else's picture, but my card is better. Send me $6500 and you'll be happy. See my feedback." >>



    Yep, the IQ problem............

    $8K-10K card and can't/won't reschedule auction until scanner fixed or pay $100 for a new one........which leads me to the following:

    1) birdbrain
    2) bonehead
    3) on drugs
    4) repeat sequence 75 more times

    BOTR

  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    $8K-10K card and can't/won't reschedule auction until scanner fixed or pay $100 for a new one........which leads me to the following:

    1) birdbrain
    2) bonehead
    3) on drugs
    4) repeat sequence 75 more times

    BOTR >>



    its also "conveniently" scheduled to end ~1 day earlier than another PSA 10.. considering there are only 6 PSA 10's graded, what are the odds of 2 being on eBay at the same time? A smarter scam artist would have stolen the scan and saved it for a later date..
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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    seller emailed me back again, BEFORE pulling the auction and asked:

    ..."should i cancel the auction"...

    then again a few minutes later AFTER the auction is pulled and says..."i've got a bidding war going on"...and to let him know if i'm interested.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    If he gets anyone to fall for the "bidding war" trick, I bet they'll be asked to pay by money order or Western Union, no PayPal. Since it's off eBay, the poor sucker will have no recourse.
  • Lothar52Lothar52 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭
    what was the email this guy used to get in contact with him??? I mean shouldnt the real sellers email still be out of this guys hands??

    loth
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i think it IS the real guy.. the email was the same (ucla44life@aol.com).. i think he just saw a $5000+ payday and thought it was worth a scam..
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I just don't know - sometimes the stuff that goes on in ebay has more twists and turns than a fictional novel!
    image
    In the first of a series of novels by Stone193 - the "Ebay Avenger" - Sgt. Dirk Danski, a no nonsense, embodiment of Columbo, is investigating the untimely demise of Justin March, aka Switchblade on the CU forums, who was investigating the conspiracy behind numerous shill biddings by Kentstate. The trail of multiple ebay accounts and bogus identities coupled with a tenuously protracted case of libel against Justin points the finger of guilt at Mick Murdock, purveyor of merchandise on ebay.....ya just gonna have to buy the book!!!!
    Stone
    image
    edit: lawyers threat: make the names more obscure or else!
    Mike
  • JonBJonB Posts: 495


    << <i>i used the pic from 4 sharp corners(my card has better centering >>



    his had better centering??? how can you get any better than 4sharp's card???
  • magellanmagellan Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭
    Mike, I'd buy that book.

    Dave
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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    I know this seller personally. He sold the Henderson for $8750, which was almost double what he paid for it. He bought a sizable collection recently of Bonds, Henderson, and other HOF and sure bet HOF graded rookies.

    I won't vouch for his general honesty (he was caught shilling in the past), but that Henderson isn't a scam.

    BTW, BOTR, wouldn't you call listing the 8 Bonds BGS 9.5's together bonehead?

    Nick
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  • BugOnTheRugBugOnTheRug Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭


    << <i>BTW, BOTR, wouldn't you call listing the 8 Bonds BGS 9.5's together bonehead? >>


    Nick,
    It would seem that way, but here's a couple of scenerios:

    1) cash flow issues / time issues
    2) possibility of reeling in bigger dealers (and associated coin) with a quantity purchase of premium cards as opposed to selling single cards.
    3) Bonds breaks leg tomorrow image

    What I don't like or at least would consider:

    1) based on subgrades (especially all with 9.5 centering) and lot size, possibility of this group being sheet-cut is very real.
    2) Don't like all the hoopla in the description.
    3) High bidder at 0 feedback with a couple more at very low feedback.

    All in all I don't like his style and communication. I wish I had these cards to flip - It'd be done a whole lot differently.

    So Nick, would you go with marginally bonehead? I'd consider his Henderson auction in the major bonehead catagory.

    BOTR

  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I know this seller personally. He sold the Henderson for $8750, which was almost double what he paid for it. He bought a sizable collection recently of Bonds, Henderson, and other HOF and sure bet HOF graded rookies.

    I won't vouch for his general honesty (he was caught shilling in the past), but that Henderson isn't a scam. >>



    unbelievable to me.. i trust you if you say it wasnt a scam, but as BOTR said, he has one of the toughest cards of the last 25 years and he wont lay down the $ for a new scanner? why the 1 day auction? is he hurting for cash?

    even if i "borrowed" somebody elses scan, i would certainly explain it in the description.. i would FOR SURE include the actual PSA cert #.. he didnt volunteer to give me the PSA cert, and i was making legitimate offers that i would have followed through with..

    i think the all the facts added together label this guy a bonehead..
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>p_A
    I just don't know - sometimes the stuff that goes on in ebay has more twists and turns than a fictional novel!
    image
    In the first of a series of novels by Stone193 - the "Ebay Avenger" - Sgt. Dirk Danski, a no nonsense, embodiment of Columbo, is investigating the untimely demise of Justin March, aka Switchblade on the CU forums, who was investigating the conspiracy behind numerous shill biddings by Kentstate. The trail of multiple ebay accounts and bogus identities coupled with a tenuously protracted case of libel against Justin points the finger of guilt at Mick Murdock, purveyor of merchandise on ebay.....ya just gonna have to buy the book!!!!
    Stone
    image
    edit: lawyers threat: make the names more obscure or else! >>



    i would read the book, but i think i got the cliff notes from all the threads before they were deleted.. =)

    but i'll buy a copy if you'll sign it.. i'll then send it to PSA/DNA for certification and sell it on ebay..

    BTW: I only like books with lots of pictures.
    ·p_A·
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    pandrews - I'd say he's hurting for cash. He spent $40K buying out a collector and didn't really have $40K of good liquidity.

    BOTR - as to your 3 scenarios, #1 is still bonehead (don't put yourself in a situation where you're that tight for cash), #2 cuts the other way, because a dealer wouldn't pay what a collector would per card, and #3 is the fondest wish of fans of several other teams. image

    Marginal is probably understating it.

    Nick
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