newbie, ebay ripped off, advice?

ar18 · July 17, 2004 11:44AM

I am hoping you ladies and gentleman can give me some advice, by the way this is my first post. I purchased a 10gram gold credite suisse gold bar from a member on ebay on July 3rd. I made several attempts to contact him by phone and email with no response. I finally decided to block my number when I called him and low and behold he answered. I asked him(sounded like a kid) if he had a tracking # and he said opps I forgot. After some talking he said he would ship it today and call me with the tracking#. He didn't and I have left him 3 messages. I am new to paypal and ebay with only 20 feedbacks and have filed a claim with paypal. I also contacted the fraud division of Beverly Hills PD and the officer said to call back on Monday to talk to a detective? Should I call back or wait?? Am I jumping the gun or should I let paypal run its course. I am just so P.O. it isn't even funny, this is the second time this has happened and I just want people to be responsible. Any advice would be appreciated. I know I have to be more careful who I buy from on ebay so please don't flame me so much

P.S. I bought the PCGS gold package and sent in four coins for grading, with the free coupons how long does it normally take to get the coins back?

Best Regards,
Jeff

airplanenut · July 17, 2004 11:52AM

Welcome to the boards! Hopefully PayPal will take some action... eventually--since he hasn't called you, I don't think you jumped the gun. I hope it all works out.

As for the gradings, about a month to have your grades back--mine should be done this coming week, and they went in 6/19.

Jeremy

FC57Coins · July 17, 2004 11:54AM

Welcome to the boards AR18 - by all means pursue this fraudulent transaction to whatever ends necessary. Ebay should be handled as most people handle a middle eastern bazaar - with eyes on the back of your head - never take anything for granted. As for your gradings, they should be done in 15 business days from the time they hit the doors at PCGS (maybe

) Have fun - you can learn quite a bit here.

Frank

coinbuf · July 17, 2004 11:56AM

Sorry to hear about the ebay problems. Welcome to the boards

Chris

lathmach · July 17, 2004 11:58AM

2 weeks and you're freaking out already?

Ray

08HALA20 · July 17, 2004 12:03PM

Welcome,
You just did the best thing: joined the forum.

As others said---1 month for the free submissions.

The eBay issue will be resolved--eventually.
Seller needs to prove he sent item to a confirmed address (Delivery Confirmation or some other way).

As in most situations--ask questions before you do anything--then be careful.

Mucho good info here.

Enjoy

Rookie Joe

ar18 · July 17, 2004 12:04PM

I forgot to mention, this is not an established dealer. I know you get what you pay for. He only had 10 or so feedbacks. Here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3919341552&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

by the way, when reading it I know It is stupid for me to have bid, but regardless I did so, a lesson lived is a lesson learned.

P.S. PCGS received my coins on 6/22/04

ddbird · July 17, 2004 12:05PM

LINK

Here you be!

ar18 · July 17, 2004 12:06PM

also, what if he closed his paypal acct, did I get the shaft on a refund?

ddbird · July 17, 2004 12:07PM

<<I've been investing these bars for years and I have made at lease made $10k in profit not on ebay but by going to any jewerly store, almost 85% of all jewerly stores buy gold bars so why dont you sell this in 2 years and get at least 40% profit out of this auction.>>

I hope hes a kid...we dont need these type of people dumbin' up America!

XpipedreamR · July 17, 2004 12:14PM

I know we have some ladies on the boards, but exactly who do you think is a gentleman?

Hope it works out for you

ar18 · July 17, 2004 12:20PM

lathmach
It isn't the two weeks it was the way he acted when I called just to check if he had a tracking#

airplanenut · July 17, 2004 12:20PM

If your coins went in on 6/22, expect them at the end of this week, or the beginning of next

...then tell us the results

fountainheadgold · July 17, 2004 12:22PM

and by all means go after him, Private bidding should have warned you for future reference

lathmach · July 17, 2004 12:25PM

Here's a link to the owner of the telephone number he has listed in that Ebay ad.
#
This who you talked to?
Jenni Alpert?

Ray

richbeat · July 17, 2004 12:25PM

Welcome aboard and sorry about your ebay experience. Good luck and I hope everything works out.

FatMan · July 17, 2004 12:38PM

Here's a Big Fat Welcome to ya!

Hope your situation gets resolved. Good Luck.

baccaruda · July 17, 2004 12:43PM

I don't think anyone's gonna risk fraud charges over 10 grams of gold. I'm not a big fan of "grams", but isn't that about the weight of a paper clip? Maybe $30? I think if you ask to speak to a detective over an Ebay auction that's 2 weeks old, involving a $30 gold flake - you're gonna redefine the word "paranoid". I'm not too sure they're going to devote a crime lab in L.A. to this heinous offense either.

In other words, I think I might give it some time...

baccaruda · July 17, 2004 12:49PM

I stand corrected - $130. I don't even consider sellers with private feedback or that hide bidders identities.

UncleWiggly · July 17, 2004 1:04PM

Sorry to hear of your problem. Do what you think is best, and if that includes calling the police then do it. I'm leary of any seller who keeps his feedback private. I have had sellers put the bidders IDs private when a high dollar coin is being auctioned off. Thanks for warning us of this seller.

Jerry

LucyBop · July 17, 2004 1:18PM

<< <i>I forgot to mention, this is not an established dealer. I know you get what you pay for. He only had 10 or so feedbacks. Here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3919341552&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

by the way, when reading it I know It is stupid for me to have bid, but regardless I did so, a lesson lived is a lesson learned.

P.S. PCGS received my coins on 6/22/04 >>

sorry this happened to you, and hopefully it will get resolved...

feedback is key....

fullerfun4 · July 17, 2004 1:28PM

You're wasting your time going to the police. The local police don't have jurisdiction over the seller unless he happens to be in California. Besides, you would have to prove that at the time of the sale he had the specific intent to defraud you. If he just decided to not follow through with the deal, then it is just what is called "conversion", which is a civil tort, not a crime. The only way to get past this is to show a pattern of conduct on his part where over a period of time he has done the samr thing to others as well as to you. Then his intent can be inferred by his pattern of deceit.
Good luck. PayPal is your best bet for recovery.
Gary

roadrunner · July 17, 2004 1:32PM

What everybody else said....plus his auction reads like a scam:

he cannot find a picture of the product so he borrows one from google that is "like it."

his english is not very good.

his email address seems absurd: electronicsdorkhajie????

has private feedback

I wouldn't have bid....but if I did....I wouldn't have waited 2 weeks on this jamoke.

roadrunner

mr1931S · July 17, 2004 1:52PM

shipping insurance "not offered" is enough to keep me away.

ar18 · July 17, 2004 3:01PM

update, I decide to use another source and indeed find his home phone number. I called and his mother answered and was very sorry, she said her mother was in the hospital and her son informed her of the situation and she assured me that I would be shipped on monday when I mentioned I was glad the police didn't have to get involved. She took my number and said she would call me on monday. I sent an email to her son and told him to provide a tracking # to paypal complaint snd I DID NOT cancel the complaint just in case. I am not sure if this is an unfortunate situation for the family of a family scan. Thanks for all the advice.

Best Regards,
Jeff

JR · July 17, 2004 3:06PM

<< <i>update, I decide to use another source and indeed find his home phone number. I called and his mother answered and was very sorry, she said her mother was in the hospital and her son informed her of the situation and she assured me that I would be shipped on monday when I mentioned I was glad the police didn't have to get involved. She took my number and said she would call me on monday. I sent an email to her son and told him to provide a tracking # to paypal complaint snd I DID NOT cancel the complaint just in case. I am not sure if this is an unfortunate situation for the family of a family scan. Thanks for all the advice.

Best Regards,
Jeff >>

Jeff,

I am sorry to hear of your troubles (I've been there before), but it sounds like you have a good handle on this situation right now. And your instincts not to cancel ANY action against them at this point is prudent. Give them a chance to make good, and if they don't, then do what you need to legally. I wish you the best!

Jim

EvilMCT · July 17, 2004 8:53PM

Welcome to the boards and good luck.

Ken

razorface1027 · July 17, 2004 10:21PM

Yo AYEEEEE...Welcome!

Hope you get things straightened out for the better.

rb7557 · July 17, 2004 11:11PM

Welcome to the boards ar18. Hope you get this worked out. I got nailed for about the same amount a couple of years ago on some coin rolls. I filed fraud reports at both ebay and paypal. Never did get my money back. But it taught me to be a lot more careful on my bidding habits. Now I check feedback closer and the sellers length of time on ebay. I don't bid anything new sellers put up for auction. Its sad because not every new person to ebay is a scam artist!

AuldFartte · July 17, 2004 11:30PM

Jeff.

Read more of the threads here before you try to get anything else on E-bilge. A LOAD of good information is available here that's been posted by our very knowledgeable forum members concerning how to spot frauds and bad sellers.

Then, enjoy!!!

BowTieCoins · July 18, 2004 2:55AM

And sorry to hear about your e-bay problem!

Katrina

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