Guess The Grade! Proof Franklin Half! GRADE REVEALED IN BOTTOM POST

airplanenut

Just got this PCGS beauty in today... guess the grade! I provided two reverse images to show the mirrors and frost--I rarely shoot CAM/DCAM proofs, and I'm not feeling great, so I wasn't about to play with lighting. Anyhoo, those aren't hairlines on the reverse--as Russ told me, it's mint frost

Edit: OK- Not the best quality because I was really not setting up lighting (literally), but here are pictures that better show the frost... the fields are all black...what's hazy is light on the slab:



(original pictures below)





Let the guessing begin!

Jeremy

airplanenut

(oh, and no frost break on the cheek, either... that's from the lighting)

Russ

Either PR68 or PR67CAM.

Russ, NCNE

TonedCoinTrader

PR68CAM ann Nice... for a white coin

oldcameoproofsguy

It looks like a PR67CAM. It's a lot more difficult to grade a proof from an image than it is a business strike coin. It's just too difficult to see the imperfections in a black field.

Nice coin and images, BTW!

kamehameha00

PR-66 DCAM

airplanenut

New pictures added--I'll probably play around with pictures more tomorrow... I'm getting sick and can't stay up much longer

100proof1957

68 DCAM

JR

PCGS PR-67 DCAM.

XpipedreamR

66CAM

LucyBop

hmmm..

i guess its a proof!!!

am i right?

BigE

I'll go with JR on this one, 67DCAM and I hope you feel better------------BigE

Myqqy

Looks like a 68 cam if they were having a good day......

Bear

PR 67 Cam

nederveit

I'll go 66DCAM Jeremy.

JR

Jeremy,

I will stand by my guess on the grade for this coin, but it is worth mentioning that without seeing the coin in person, it's pretty much impossible to make an informed decision on the grade. I'm not waffling in the least, but PCGS looks harder at the mirrors when grading these coins and NGC looks less hard at the mirrors and more to the devices and Cameo designations. At least, this has been my personal experience. Your mileage may (will) vary.

Jim

airplanenut

any more guesses?

ldhair

67 DCAM

Tassa

PR68CAM

coinfreak499

I'll say 68dcam

airplanenut

The grade: PR65CAM... who was right? No one!

The coin did, however, reside in a PR68DCAM holder until recently--It got downgraded I believe from two tiny spots on Franklins head--thing is, if I hadn't been told they were there, I would have never known--they are really as invisible as spots get. So a few people were, at one point, correct

I still think the coin should DCAM, and I may send it to NGC...

Jeremy

Russ

<< <i>It got downgraded I believe from two tiny spots on Franklins head >>



Two tiny spots will not drop the grade from 68DCAM to 65CAM. To grade only PR65, it has hairlines somewhere.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut

<< <i>Two tiny spots will not drop the grade from 68DCAM to 65CAM. To grade only PR65, it has hairlines somewhere. >>

That's what I thought... I'm looking for the hairlines, but am not doing to well finding them... I've now found 4 short ones that I don't believe are reflections from scratches on the slab. I also still think it's a DCAM coin... unless that mint frost you were talking about is counted as hairlines... you can see it best in the 1st of the 2 old reverse pictures.

Jeremy

Russ

<< <i>unless that mint frost you were talking about is counted as hairlines... >>



No, but with PCGS it will keep the coin from grading DCAM. They want smooth, glassy, uninterrupted mirrors.

Hairlines are sometimes very difficult to detect. When I first started, I wasted a lot of submission fees getting PR64 and PR65 coins back.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut

Remember, Russ--the coin was in a PCGS PR68DCAM holder originally--they only just took it down 3 points along with the designation...

Russ

<< <i>Remember, Russ--the coin was in a PCGS PR68DCAM holder originally--they only just took it down 3 points along with the designation... >>



The fact that it used to be in a PCGS DCAM holder doesn't mean anything. There are plenty of PCGS graded DCAMs floating around out there that would not get the designation if submitted today.

Rus, NCNE

airplanenut

Russ--it was a 68, too... hairlines don't grow in slabs... unless they really, really, really missed the ball on that one.

On an aside, do you think NGC would DCAM it? I seem to recall you said the two companies look for different things in their DCAMs.

Jeremy

Russ

If the images are an accurate representation of the degree of contrast no, NGC would not give it the UCAM designation in the current grading environment. Right now they are damned near as tough as PCGS.



<< <i>unless they really, really, really missed the ball on that one. >>



It wouldn't be the first time. PCGS does screw up sometimes.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut

Hrpmh

Hopefully a grader will be at the NGC table next weekend in NY and I can bug him

Myqqy

The coin did, however, reside in a PR68DCAM holder until recently--

If it was in a 68DCAM holder, why was it ever taken out in the first place?? Regardless of its actual condition, its resale value just dropped about 5000%.....

airplanenut

<< <i>The coin did, however, reside in a PR68DCAM holder until recently--

If it was in a 68DCAM holder, why was it ever taken out in the first place?? Regardless of its actual condition, its resale value just dropped about 5000%..... >>

It was a grade guarantee--I just bought the coin... the seller just got a check from PCGS...

Myqqy

So what kind of check does PCGS scratch for you when they downgrade a proof franklin 3 points, AND take away a dcam status?