2nd Chance Offers?

iamthegreatcornholio

I just got one on eBay about an hour after the auction ended so obviously red-flags pop up. Has anyone ever accepted one of these? I won't because the "offer" is my high bid and NOT what I would have won it for if the highest bidder...err shiller...didn't bid.

Brian

Aknot

Nope and never will.

Kid4hof03

It depends on what the item is. Is it conceivable that the seller has more than one? If your being offerred the exact item you were just bidding on then I'd be curious about the reason. No offense, but I think that there is a bit of shiller paranoia around here lately.

Aknot

<< <i>It depends on what the item is. Is it conceivable that the seller has more than one? If your being offerred the exact item you were just bidding on then I'd be curious about the reason. No offense, but I think that there is a bit of shiller paranoia around here lately. >>



If it looks, smells and craps like a duck, its a duck.

If you want it bad enough and they want to sell it bad enough agree to a price offline, have the seller place it up as a "BIN" (at your agreed price) letting you know the link. Problem solved. (kinda)

Kid4hof03

That doesn't make much sense to me. The 2nd chance offer is something that ebay put into their system so it's covered just like an auction. It's not like your getting an e-mail that says "hey, I will sell you the item at the high bid off of ebay". On 2nd chance offers you leave feedback and are covered like any other auction.

fsjeter

I picked up a nice PSA 8 '67 Elston Howard from a 2nd chance offer. I don't see anything wrong with it. The way I see it, if you had concerns about the seller, you probably shouldn't have bid in the first place. Just my $0.02.

Scott

Aknot

I agree Kid, but less then 2 hours after the auction? I can see a week or so. Then thats fine, but not within the time frame Corn describes.

iamthegreatcornholio

<< <i>No offense, but I think that there is a bit of shiller paranoia around here lately. >>



None taken, I agree with you that's why I didn't put the auction link - I am not sure of it was a shill. However, I am more skeptical of the concept of the 2nd chance as the offer is your high bid and not what it would have went for if the highest bidder never bidded. It seems like someone dishonest could have a field-day with this feature - bumping everyone up to the max. Just the principle of the matter.

Brian

Kid4hof03

I agree with you if it was a "one of a kind" item. Hey Corn, is the seller offering you the exact same item he was selling or is this that he has a 2nd of the item?

NickM

2nd chance offers if the seller has multiple of the same item are common right after the auction ends. I've picked up a PSA 8 '72 Topps common this way when the seller had obviously graded 2 in the same shipment (mine was one number different from the one shown in the auction).

Nick

Kid4hof03

Your point is a good one, it is a system that could be easily abused.

Aknot

Corn,

So the 2nd chance comes in at your "highest". Well that sucks. It should be your initial.

iamthegreatcornholio

<< <i>Hey Corn, is the seller offering you the exact same item he was selling or is this that he has a 2nd of the item? >>



I dunno, it's rare but not an item that has a unique number - another reason I am unsure.

Recently though, a buddy of mine got the same thing on a very rare "cut" card and it was an obvious shill - literally 5 minutes after the auction ended. It would take most people longer then that to find out how to do a 2nd chance much less confirm that the high bidder backed out!

Brian

jrdolan

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I recall making a Second Chance offer once on a reneged item and eBay doesn't even give the option of offering it less than the #2 bid. It doesn't matter if #1 and #2 were fighting it out alone at the end, pushing the price way up. #2 doesn't get it for his last bid BEFORE the 2-man bidding war started. eBay doesn't care how many bidders are involved in inflating the bid, unless one of them is provably a shill. If the Second Chance rubs you the wrong way, you can always decline the offer if you no longer wish to pay what you bid up to.

By the way, I agree about the paranoia. Maybe because recently I got a series of nasty emails from somebody whose proxy I pushed to the max at the very end of an auction. Up until the last minute he thought he would get the card for less than half of SMR and then my snipe pushed his proxy to almost double his previous bid. He accused me of being a shill for the seller. My reply was "No, I just wanted the card real bad myself. In fact I'll buy it from you for your winning bid if you are regretting your proxy." He declined and sent several more vulgar emails until I reported him to eBay and sent him a copy.

envoy98

yeah, you don't the choice to offer it at any other price than that bidders high bid. I got one the other day about an hour after the auction ended. I had a feeling I was getting shilled. What's funny is it's for #2, #3, & #4 out of only 5 made. Somehow the high bidder either backed out after having just outbid me to win the auction, or the seller has duplicates of #2,3&4. Here's the link to the auction. Decide for yourself..

Auction Link

The other thing too was this guy was only bidding on this sellers auctions at the time too..and bid a couple of times on each one, the only one he won, was for $12. Maybe I'm just cynical, but it looks shady to me. Now I'll be watching that auction to see if positive feedback is exchanged, if it is I'll know it's shady cuz I was offered 2nd chance on it.

You make the call...

Troy

I was bored so I looked at both accounts and found that it is interesting that the sellers received his first feedback as a seller just two weeks after the other account was created. Interesting???

packCollector

I have both accepted and offered 2nd chance items. as long as it is a unique cert # then I don't mind. I point that out when I offer 2nd chance items on graded cards. i also offer a scan of the cards together on raw cards . It is not uncommon to have 2 of an item which is why I like 2nd chance offers , it allows you to sell another card at basically the same price when you factor in the listing fee.

also , whoever said it should be your initial bid doesn't make sense, why would a seller want to sell something at the initial bid, that would defeat the whole concept of the offer.

Aknot

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also , whoever said it should be your initial bid doesn't make sense, why would a seller want to sell something at the initial bid, that would defeat the whole concept of the offer. >>



Well that would "hamper" shillers. You and I bid on an Item. My offer is $10 (as high as $14.99). You bump it up to $15 and win. The seller comes back and says the $15 bidder does not want to pay (can not etc.). Well if he would have never bid my initial bid of $10 would have stood pat. Why should I have to pay my "highest" offer if there was no bid (essentially there is no bid if the high bidder backs out) out bidding me?

fsjeter

envoy98,

I would definately leave that one alone. Obviously the seller can't have duplicates. If you did accept, your only recourse through Paypal would be if you didn't receive the cards at all. But something isn't smellin' too good with that one.

Scott

packCollector

I was referring to multiple items, not an offer for the same item, obviously if something sells for 50 and your initial bid is 20 , I don't want to sell my second item for 20. if that is the way it woeked then yhey might as well not have a program because no one would use it.

I have to agree with someone else that this board has gotten to the point that every bid is a shill bid. are there shills out there , yes , are they on the majority of auctions no. if I received a 2nd chance offer for the same item , i would be suspicious and not accespt but if dsl offers me a second chance for the item with a unique cert # , i will probably take it. I think people forget that there are honest sellers out there and programs are designed for the honest sellers. the frauds and cheats should not be a reason to not have selling tools that benefit both the buyers and sellers.

Aknot

Yeah but see all it takes is ONE time then the defenses go up.
Aknot being shilled?

kehfee

It's a good point but you were willing to pay up to 14.99 for that item. Otherwise you wouldn't have bid it. Anyways you can still decline all together if you think it was a shill bid.

Aknot

<< <i>It's a good point but you were willing to pay up to 14.99 for that item. Otherwise you wouldn't have bid it. Anyways you can still decline all together if you think it was a shill bid. >>



So then why does it not go to $14.99 right away? I am willing to pay $14.99 only if someone is willing to pay $14. Thats how an auction works. "its a bidding war". If no one shows up on the other side why bring out the "big guns"? Hence if they doshow up and back out there was no "fight" and I am the winner.

envoy98

Kind of the Chicken or the Egg fight IMO. I agree with you aknot, if nobody else bid (shill acct) you win for a lot less, the fact that you were willing to pay more is irrelelvent IMHO. However, the way it works, does make sense in the context it's used. You got outbid at the last second potentially, here's your chance to ignore that last second bid and get it for the max you were willing to bid. However, this assumes it was a legitimate auction with legitimate bidders in the first place.