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Which is better, Heritage or Bowers?

imageNew member with some investment grade coins that I intend to sell. Would appreciate your advice on Heritage and Bowers auctions. Anyone who has knowledge concerning these 2 auctions houses, I would love to know what you think.

Thank you,
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    If I were you, I'd get in touch with a dealer you know and trust, and have them consign the coins for you, as they get better consignment fees than us small guys ! I learned the hard way !

    Have you also considered ANR, they are a great bunch, and I had excellent results with them, ...but I consigned thru another dealer.
    Mike Hayes
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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Talk to coinguy1.
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I were you, I'd get in touch with a dealer you know and trust, and have them consign the coins for you, as they get better consignment fees than us small guys ! I learned the hard way !

    Have you also considered ANR, they are a great bunch, and I had excellent results with them, ...but I consigned thru another dealer. >>

    And for those who don't yet know it -- if any -- Dave Bowers isn't even *at* Bowers and Merena any more -- Bowers is at ANR. A lot of the old B&M staff went with him, too. Dealing with ANR is probably more like dealing with B&M than dealing with B&M is. image
  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Good point Ziggy29, after all the hub-bub over the sale of B&M, and the recent resale of B&M, its hard for newbies to fathom it all out.

    B&M is now part of a larger corporation which I understand Legend, Kingswood, and Teletrade belong to and they are controlled by Greg Manning. Yet this corporation is controlled by a foriegn investment company...I can't remember where now (Spain ?) .

    All the major auction houses know their stuff, but work out your best deal on the consignments...I strongly advise you use a large dealer to consign your coins for you, as they have worked out their deals already !

    Mike Hayes
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  • Give heritage a shot. There has got to be reasons they are kicking everybody elses ass.
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    huh?? I thought Legend is privately owned?
  • Legend IS privately owned...by several people who are board members. Let's see if they will all step forward and clarify.
  • puffpuff Posts: 1,475


    << <i>Legend IS privately owned...by several people who are board members. Let's see if they will all step forward and clarify. >>



    Don't hold your breath.image
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Legend is not owned by or affiliated in any way with GMAI/Spectrum.

    Spectrum has its own non-auction components.

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    anything with Dave Bowers behind it has my vote!
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,797 ✭✭✭✭✭
    anything with Dave Bowers behind it has my vote!

    A newbie or casual collector would have difficulty with that answer.

    Q David Bowers, the person, is with ANR.

    Bowers and Merena auction firm is owned by Spectrum and in no way (that I am aware of) related to Q David Bowers.

    I agree with others; talk to Coinguy1 or another trusted dealer. They will help you make the right decision, and it may not involve any auction house.
  • Catch22Catch22 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭
    I don't know enough about either to recommend. I have some stuff at Heritage for the upcoming ANA as I believe they give coins more exposure. They will negotiate the selling fee, but it's around 5% unless you get a better deal. Adding reserves to your auctions can cost you if they don't sell...15% buyers fee is tacked on if you use a reserve and it doesn't sell.

    From what I've seen of your coins, I do like the Mark Feld route...even if he recommends Heritage, I think I would let him take a look at what you have.


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  • You might also try Scotsman in St. Louis for auction consignments. Their seller fees seem pretty reasonable. Are you going to try the sell forum here?


    Jerry
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    Your coins will get the attention they deserve at ANR.

    Rgrds
    Tom
  • STEWARTBLAYNUMISSTEWARTBLAYNUMIS Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭✭

    What about David Lawrence Rare coin Auctions ?

    They will be stepping up to the plate for the first time this week.

    Perhaps there will be introductory fees for their next auction ?

    Stewart
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    So who really owns what? I just got confused-----------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So who really owns what? I just got confused-----------BigE >>

    I think Clear Channel owns everything now.
  • Only problem with going with Heritage is that your coins get buried with thousands and thousands of other coins in their catalogs. Only problem with going with B&M is that the people worked for B&M when all of their records were made in the auction field, no longer work for B&M, they all work for ANR, except for Mark Borchardt (sp).
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Granddad,

    There are a number of things to consider when selecting the best auction house for the sale of your particular coins or collection. Before I get to those, however, I want to note what is almost always THE most important part of the selling equation - THE COINS THEMSELVES. (Edited to add: Most sellers would have you believe otherwise).

    In the majority of cases, if you are selling through a major auction house, the coins will either sell themselves well or not, based upon how rare and/or appealing they are. What I mean by that is, If you have a fantastic coin consigned to a major auction, even if it is under-graded and/or receives no write up in the catalog, enough knowledgeable/informed buyers will view it so that it will typically bring the money it deserves. On the other hand, if you consign a real dog of a coin, even a full page write-up and hype to the moon are unlikely to get you a strong price for it.

    That said, here are some factors which should be considered

    1) Commission rates: Some companies offer lower commissions and buy back fees than others. Don't look just at the seller's commission, though. The buyer's fee/commission is equally important to you as the seller, because it affects the hammer price you will receive for your coin.

    2) Images: Some provide better catalog and on-line imaging than others. That can make a big difference for mail and internet bidders.

    4) Customer bases/mailing lists and internet presence: Some have larger, better established client lists/bases and internet presence than others.

    5) Timing and location of sale: Some sales are in conjunction with major shows, while others are not and some shows (and thus sales) are more widely attended than others. You are also far more likely to do better if you are selling into a hot market rather than a cold one.

    6) How long from the time you have to consign to the time you receive payment?: Some auction houses require you to consign further in advance of a sale than others and some pay you faster than others.The longer your coins are tied up, the greater the chance that the market can change direction. And, it goes without saying, most people would rather be paid sooner, rather than later.

    7) The type of material you are selling: Some auction houses have reputations for handling particular types of coins and might be more likely to give them more attention and/or have more potential buyers for them.

    8) Customer service - for both you as the seller AND for prospective buyers: You want to feel comfortable that your consignment will be well cared for from start to finish. That includes things such as being able to reach the person you are working with, having your lots receive the attention they deserve with regards to imaging, cataloging, lot viewing, etc.

    Again, I want to stress, that while the above considerations often can and do make a difference, in most cases, it is the COINS which are likely to make more of a difference.

    Best of luck.

    PS - A sincere thanks to those who recommended me.








  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    In the efforts of full disclosure, my friend Johnscoins (who recommended a certain auction firm) happens to work for the parent company of that same auction firm.

    And I work for one of the competitors (ANR) and happily recommend my own firm also.

    Good luck with your decision -- there is a lot of good input here already.

    John K.
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭
    I can't say enough good things about ANR.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • What kind of coins? "Investment-grade coins" could be just about anything.

    If you mean high-grade super-duper monster coins, then stick with the big boys for any major auction tied to a national show.

    If, however, you mean a number of really nice collector coins, rare varieties, etc, then you may wish to consider giving Stack's a call. I suggested this to a buddy of mine recently and he was very pleased with the results on his early copper, circulated type, and patterns. The seller's fees were very reasonable and all he had to do was pack 'em and ship 'em. They will even make up decent lots of lower-value items that the others won't touch.
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭
    they all work for ANR, except for Mark Borchardt (sp). and he now works for Heritage.
    Greg Allen Coins, LLC Show Schedule: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/573044/our-show-schedule-updated-10-2-16 Authorized dealer for NGC, PCGS, CAC, and QA. Member of PNG, RTT (Founding Platinum Member), FUN, MSNS, and NCBA (formerly ICTA); Life Member of ANA and CSNS. NCBA Board member. "GA3" on CCE.
  • At Heritage we can show any potential consignor why we can get them the highest prices for their coins. Please call me directly and I'll make extra sure we take good care of you.

    I'm traveling in Los Angeles today but I can be reached on my cell phone at 214-298-9204, or feel free to call me at the office after I return Wednesday afternoon at 1-800-872-6467. I'm always happy to help.

    Sincerely,

    Greg Rohan
    President
    Heritage




    Greg Rohan
    President
    HERITAGE AUCTIONS
    3500 Maple Avenue
    Dallas, Texas 75219-3941
    Phone: 214-528-3500 / Private fax: 214-409-1596
    Email to: Greg@HA.com
  • I appreciate your efforts Pistareen. You are correct that I recomended my own firm, out of obvious interests. I think Mr. Feld put it correctly, in that it is the coins that sell themselves. However, there are several very good auction houses out there and I wish the seller luck.
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    Heritage will give you the presidents cell number. I don't know about Bowers. Q. David may be unlisted
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  • Heritage and ANR they are the way to go.

    Look how many six figure coins sell in ANR. Look how many Registry quality coins sell at Heritage.

    B+M's last catalog didn't look so nice.

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