Real or Fake?

Crazy4Coins

Opinions?




Here is another that is even harder to determine whether its real or fake : Could this be a proof?

ms70

I'm torn but leaning toward fake. Not a lot of frost on the devices.

hamiltonjh

I have no idea, but I vote fake.


looks too....fake. hahaha....

the fields look too perfect for that time for one thing. just doent look "right" to me

Russellp23

Could be the angle, but it definitely looks fake.

Placid

Fake.

100proof1957

fake

MrEureka

Real.

Coppernicus

If it's NOT fake, why not have it in a reputable slab to ensure authenticity?

F A K E ! ! !

Mike

airplanenut

If nothing else, polished up real nice

tjkillian

Real and it is a Proof. Nice coin.

Tom

coinguy89

<< <i>Real and it is a Proof. Nice coin.

Tom >>



I checked out a pic of a real one, and it looks a little different at the bottom of the obverse where ms. liberty is sitting, to the left of the shield. Compare. Im not sure though, but I will go with fake.

Myqqy

Can anybody who voted fake please offer some diagnostics to back up the opinion??

Wondo

Looks like a freakin' hubcap - fake!

poorguy

Judging by what that seller has gotten negs for before, I'd say it is a fake. Here's the text from the auction:

"I AM NOT A COLLECTOR. THESE COINS WERE LEFT TO ME. MY GRANDFATHER RATED THIS AS GEM RARE!! PLEASE VIEW PICTURES TO DETERMINE CONDITION AND VALUE FOR YOURSELF. ALL COINS WILL BE SOLD WITH NO RESERVE AND ALL SALES ARE FINAL. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO SECOND CHANCE OFFERS ON MY COINS. I NEVER OFFER THEM. THANKS. "

With a description like that, I'd say fake before I even looked at the coin.

razorface1027

It's REAL...I have one just like it. I'm preparing to submit to ANACS for net grade. It's obviously been cleaned. The piece should net grade well...I hope.

coinguy89

We need a pic of a real one to compare!

ziggy29

<< <i>Judging by what that seller has gotten negs for before, I'd say it is a fake. Here's the text from the auction:

"I AM NOT A COLLECTOR. THESE COINS WERE LEFT TO ME. MY GRANDFATHER RATED THIS AS GEM RARE!! PLEASE VIEW PICTURES TO DETERMINE CONDITION AND VALUE FOR YOURSELF. ALL COINS WILL BE SOLD WITH NO RESERVE AND ALL SALES ARE FINAL. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO SECOND CHANCE OFFERS ON MY COINS. I NEVER OFFER THEM. THANKS. "

With a description like that, I'd say fake before I even looked at the coin. >>

I can't tell -- it could be real, but it looks like all the life has been sucked out of it.

Anyway, between this "all sales are final" blurb and the nasty, emotional remarks in her negative feedback, I'd not bid...

ss350camaro

<< <i> If it's NOT fake, why not have it in a reputable slab to ensure authenticity? >>




Why is this such a big deal ?? Not everyone submits coins for slabbing.
Just because it's not slabbed doesn't immediately make it a fake. At one point in time all slabbed coins were raw.

edited to add: Just because this coin looks good doesn't automatically mean it's fake? Sheesh ! With that attitude all top pop coins would be suspect.

(p.s. I don't know if it's real or fake, so i can't offer an educated opinion either way. just an opinion on the "looks too good to be true....." type attitude)

numonebuyer

Looks Real to Me, but what do I know... I just collect Morgans. By the way, it looks whizzed (which also makes me think it is real). Now the question... Did the new owner (seller) whiz this coin to make it pretty?

mr1931S

Appears to me to be genuine.

MacCoin

altered polished but its real pretty

Crazy4Coins

Twenty Cent pic added for your viewing pleasure..... pick away

coinguy89

The Twenty-Cent looks real to me, but cleaned of some sort.

Russ

Is that a DaleIsDead coin?

Russ, NCNE

Boom

Let Bruce get a good look at it- he'll tell us in a heartbeat! Bruce as in Tradedollarnut

spankyNYC

Hi,

It's not that someone has to slab a high grade coin and it's not that a raw coin cannot be in great shape, it's just that... there are simply a few red flags that make this auction HIGHLY suspicious.

1. The claims of "I know nothing about coins" and "this was left to me by my grandfather" are typically used by scam artists.

2. The "no returns policy" is also used frequently by scam artists

3. The seated halves are not just in mint state condition, they are blazing proof like examples that appear to have been minted recently. They do not look like 100 year old silver.

4. 100 year old coins in blazing mint state without any nicks, scratches, or ware are beyond very rare. How did the coins remain in such great condition, these are not even in holders?

5. There are circular polish marks on the coins as well, the coins appear to be new proofs, again highly suspicious.

After that, logic starts to take hold... if you know nothing about the coins that were left to you, would you A) just put them on Ebay and hope for the best? Or have them apprased?

It could be real but, here's an example for you... if I'm in Texas, and I hear "clip-clop-clippy-clop" behind me, I dont' have to trun around to know it's not a Zebra! Now, could it be a Zebra, well... yeah... but come on now... you know it's not.

Spanky

mgoodm3

I need big pictures. I just can't deal with small pictures anymore. Look kinda shined up.

flaminio

What would Vreenak say?


They're fake!


Well, I guess that settles it then...

Placid

The coin just dosen't look right to me. Liberty's eye area,the eagles head. Could just be the pictures I guess.

anablep

Its real. Look at how the date in the raw coin is slanted just like the certified one. At first I thought that looked a little "funny" but compared to the certified coin, I guess its common.

TheLiberator

Looks real...and whizzed...and polished. There is, as Russ mentioned, a dealer on ebay who does this ALL THE TIME.

MrEureka

Look at how the date in the raw coin is slanted just like the certified one.

It's not the date. Both COINS are slanted. But they're both real. One is a proof, one MS.

As for the twenty cent piece, the concentric swirls over Liberty's head are diagnostic of REAL coins.

SethChandler

Surely they are real.

Placid

So the 1/2 must have some wear? The certified coin looks to have sharper detail than raw one.
Look at where the top of eagles wing meets the body and the right wing edge. The rock looks different to me as well. With a mintage of 1,100 I would guess only one die pair was used.
Coin must be a wizzed PR50.

ziggy29

Looking at the picture of the NGC certified coin from the Heritage site, it sure looks real...but as I said before, with all the life sucked out of it. Polished, cleaned, whizzed, you name it. Wouldn't kick it out of my collection, but I wouldn't seek it in that state of abuse.

coinfreak499

Even if it is real I would not feel safe spending any kinda money on it since it was polished.

nwcs

How about chromed? or re-proofed.

coinguy89

I don't wanna try to get yelled at but I still really think that its fake, forget the date, look at whatever that is to the left of the shield, both of those "whatevers" are different. I doubt that you could call that wear, because the rest of the coin is just so lustrous. I don't know, check it out. I think the twenty cent looks very real, its quite obvious. Please don't flame me, just a newbie opinion.

Option1

I have to vote Fake because the fields look wrong. ie: wavey
I'm no expert though..... By any means...

tsacch

The fields look off to me as well, as well as some the area above the head....looks wierd.

Send her to anancs.

dorkkarl

they are real coins that are buffed up more than arnold schwartzeneger! i've never seen such a wax job on a coin!

K S