Update for Toned Coin Collectors Society

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 4:30AM

A new coin collecting organization has been formed for those of you who enjoy collecting toned coins.

We have called it the Toned Coin Collectors Society (TCCS). We will be holding our 1st formal meeting at the Pittsburgh ANA -the official (per the ANA) date and time of our inaugeral meeting is Thursday, August 19 at 11:30 am in room 323 of the David L. Lawrence Convention Center. We are listed in the Official ANA Schedule of Events which will be available at the convention.
ANA Schedule of events
(see page 3 left hand column - Note the web listing is confusing - Thurday's event start on page 2 Rt column and continue on pg 3 in the left column)

Our goal is to promote the collecting of toned coins and will be primarily educational. A website and quarterly publications are planned. We hope to have a strong collector and dealer base to promote this segment of our hobby. We are an ANA affiliated club and hope to work with the ANA to promote this segment of our hobby.

If you are interested in joining and/or participating in our collecting and educational activities, please either PM me or respond to this thread. (PMs will be appreciated as I can review them even after this thread is long gone).

The following is an updated list of the TCCS Founders and their forum handles - (if I have left you name off this list, it is not intentional, please PM me and I’ll make the necessary additions).

Bryan Sonnier GSAGuy
Bryan Orsborn ToneKiller
Ron Sirna Newmismatist
Jason Stevens JBSteven
Dave Schweitz MS68
Marshall Rose Gemtone65
Tom Bush TomB
Tom Turissini BigMoose
Jack Kelly Toned dollars
Mike De Falco coingame2000
Andy Kimmel
Richard Abrahams MrD
Lance Tchore

Here’s a draft of the Mission Statement of the Toned Coin Collectors Society (TCCS):

<< To advance the numismatic knowledge of toned coins through educational, historical and scientific means; to assist in bringing together persons interested in collecting toned coins; to promote greater popular interest in collecting toned coins and in the numismatic study of toned coins; to aid its members through the study, acquisition and exhibition of toned coins; and to assist or encourage other worthy numismatic causes. The TCCS shall encourage and promote interest in the collecting and exhibiting of toned coins, conduct educational seminars and publish information regarding toned coins, cultivate friendly relations between society members, other collectors who collect toned coins and dealers of toned coins, and encourage and assist new collectors who are interested in collecting toned coins. >>

Additional concepts of the Toned Coin Collectors Society would include the following:

1. To assist collectors in identifying, acquiring and preserving, original toned coins, with an emphasis on those toned coins that are particularly eye appealing.

2. To provide information to collectors and potential collectors of toned coins on such topics as pricing, the concepts of acceptable eye appealing toned coins and sources of available toned coins.

3. To provide a means for collectors who are interested in acquiring original toned Coins to interact with dealers and other collectors who have toned coins for sale.

4. To maintain archival data of different categories and classes of original toned coins, with emphasis on the most spectacularly toned pieces.

5. To assist and provide research as to the nature and characteristics of original toned coins, including the different sources of toning, the toning process itself and the variations in toning characteristics.

6. To assist and provide research as to the availability and variations of color, grade availability, including eye appeal factors by date and mint for particular series of coins (like Morgan dollars, Franklin Halves, etc).

7. To facilitate the exchange of information among dealers and collectors regarding the above enumerated aspects of originally toned coins so as to enhance the collecting and study of originally toned Coins.

8. To assist and encourage the collecting of toned coins by working in conjunction with the ANA and the ANA’s Young Numismatist program and to provide resource information and examples of original toned coins.

9. To attend, participate in and conduct educational seminars to teach and assist those persons who are interested in learning about all aspects of collecting toned coins.

This is a work in process, so your thoughts, suggestions and comments will be appreciated.

LanLord · July 14, 2004 4:34AM

do you plan to have regular publications such as the JRCC?

I am not a tone addict, but I'm always up for something that will assist me in education when coins are involved.

DAM · July 14, 2004 4:42AM

Sounds great!

[ql]5. To assist and provide research as to the nature and characteristics of original toned coins, including the different sources of toning, the toning process itself and the variations in toning characteristics >>

Education for the collecting public on what is original and what is doctored. Wonderful!!!

Best of luck!

Hadleydog · July 14, 2004 4:59AM

sTONER · July 14, 2004 5:04AM

sound excellant guys,,

,,,STEVE

airplanenut · July 14, 2004 5:07AM

I like it!

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 5:53AM

Forgot to mention: Dues are $25/year and let me know who's going to be at the ANA in Pittsburgh to attend our inaugural meeting.

airplanenut · July 14, 2004 5:55AM

$25?

With my way of cherrypicking toners, do you realize how many toned coins I could get with that money?

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 6:02AM

<< $25?

With my way of cherrypicking toners, do you realize how many toned coins I could get with that money?

>>

Jeremy - how do you buy a half a coin? BTW dues are only $10 for those under age 18 - so you may get in cheap for awhile

IdahoGal · July 14, 2004 6:09AM

Count me in...

rainbowquarters · July 14, 2004 6:11AM

Great Idea! I certainly plan on joining and would love to be at your 1st formal meeting, BUT, it coincides with the registry luncheon. Any chance you could change the meeting time?

Don

airplanenut · July 14, 2004 6:13AM

<< Jeremy - how do you buy a half a coin? BTW dues are only $10 for those under age 18 - so you may get in cheap for awhile >>

Watch me at a show--you should have seen what I walked away with for under $25 at the Colorado Springs Show... man I'm gonna be rich!

As for being under 18... quick, sign me up for 10 years!

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 6:23AM

<< As for being under 18... quick, sign me up for 10 years! >>

Jeremy - if you're only 8 we're gonna need a permission slip from your parents

Lakesammman · July 14, 2004 6:33AM

Great idea - do R, RB and BR IHC's qualify??

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 6:34AM

<< Great Idea! I certainly plan on joining and would love to be at your 1st formal meeting, BUT, it coincides with the registry luncheon. Any chance you could change the meeting time?

Don >>

Don

I'll see if there is another time slot available - but no matter what I pick (actually no matter what time slot the ANA assigns to us) it will ocnflict with something - but as there are a number of forum members who may be interested, I'll see what I can do to get a different time.

jbsteven · July 14, 2004 7:52AM

I hope a good amount of people take the time to come by the meeting to join and be a part of this. I am persoanlly looking forward to the development of the organization.

If you like toned coins please come by.

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 8:05AM

<< Great idea - do R, RB and BR IHC's qualify??

>>

Tim - Are the "Rs" toned? You betcha - I personally like some of the RBs and BNs better than the Rs - they have more character!

MrEureka · July 14, 2004 8:17AM

We have called it the Toned Coin Collectors Society

...and the first meeting will be at what tanning salon?

Bear · July 14, 2004 8:19AM

Should be called the" Keebler Cookie Club of Toned Coins"

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 8:19AM

<< We have called it the Toned Coin Collectors Society

...and the first meeting will be at what tanning salon? >>

Actually a pizza reataurant with a wood burning stove would be more conducive to our agenda than UV light

Bear · July 14, 2004 8:21AM

Great idea and worthy goals. Best of luck.

Lakesammman · July 14, 2004 8:51AM

Actually a pizza reataurant with a wood burning stove would be more conducive to our agenda than UV light

I hear beer-toned pennies are pretty - pick one with good beer on tap.

RYK · July 14, 2004 9:08AM

Lots of cahones to list the names of the charter members, along with their handles. The Hagers are always looking for fresh coin people to enjoin in their lawsuit.

jbsteven · July 14, 2004 9:12AM

RYK

How would anyone include our group in ANY kind of lawsuit?

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 9:16AM

<< Lots of cahones to list the names of the charter members, along with their handles. The Hagers are always looking for fresh coin people to enjoin in their lawsuit.

>>

Our organization has nothing to do with the "Hagers", hasn't mentioned them that I'm aware of and I can't conceive of where your comment comes from or the relevence to the Toned Coin Collectors Society - if there's something that you know that I don't, please PM me so that I can address it in the proper forum.

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 9:18AM

<< Actually a pizza reataurant with a wood burning stove would be more conducive to our agenda than UV light

I hear beer-toned pennies are pretty - pick one with good beer on tap.

>>

Tim

We've got a great micro brewery here - if you're going to Pittsburgh, I'll bring a "growler" of some fresh brewed hefiweisen to share!

MrEureka · July 14, 2004 9:27AM

We've got a great micro brewery here - if you're going to Pittsburgh, I'll bring a "growler" of some fresh brewed hefiweisen to share!

Talk is cheap. I'm still waiting for my single malt!

RYK · July 14, 2004 9:38AM

How would anyone include our group in ANY kind of lawsuit?

The Hagers have apparently without real cause added other participants of "an online forum." Maybe I am paranoid, but I am more afraid of the Hagers and plaintiff lawyers than I am afraid of thieves.

Edited to add: I never meant to imply that that any of the above have ever made any statements damaging to the Hagers or ACG. In fact, the above group has been largely out of the fray--where I would want to be.

Edited to add again: Sorry, I did not intend to hijack your thread.

I wish you the best with your club. It sounds like it should be a lot of fun and educational.

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 11:31AM

<< Sorry, I did not intend to hijack your thread.

I wish you the best with your club. It sounds like it should be a lot of fun and educational. >>

RYK No offense taken - I was just a bit dazed and confused at the ACG reference - But in some respect, one of the main goals of our organization - an educated coin collector - is exactly the type of thing that persons who sell hype will not want to see - maybe we're on to something

mrearlygold · July 14, 2004 1:15PM

<< RYK

How would anyone include our group in ANY kind of lawsuit? >>

As evidenced by a certain lawsuit, apparently anyone can be named for just about anything.

Tom

coingame2000 · July 14, 2004 2:04PM

I'm in and very excited about being part of this organization.

Mike

MS68 · July 14, 2004 2:06PM

I look forward to our meeting in Pittsburgh. I hope everyone brings something for show and tell. Just to avoid the impending lawsuit, maybe we should extend an invitation to the Hagars.

Bear · July 14, 2004 2:07PM

Well, if your involved Mikey, I guess I will have to join too.

Gotta have one Democrat in the organization.

puff · July 14, 2004 2:23PM

FrattLaw · July 14, 2004 2:25PM

Sign me up! I can't make Pittsburg, but I assume there'll be a West Coast Chapter Meeting @ Long Beach.

Are you going to have Lifetime/Charter Member dues as well? If so, sign me up as a Charter/Lifetime member!!! Are we going to get neat little cards with our name and pics of toned coins on them as IDs?

Michael

islemangu · July 14, 2004 6:58PM

USAROK · July 14, 2004 9:54PM

Sounds like a great idea! PM sent.

Newmismatist · July 14, 2004 11:40PM

Thanks for all the great responses. TO answer a few questions that have been raised:

1. We hope to have a quarterly newsletter/publication - with todays technology, it may be a webbased publication - our organization deals with the visual aspects of toning and a color print publication would be very costly where as a web-based publication could have numerous photos

2. Dues are $25/year ($10 for juniors - under age 18 - but NO Jeremy, you can't buy a 10 year Jr. membership UNLESS you're 8

)

3. Our primary purpose will be educational and to give those collectors and dealers a forum to analyses and discuss toning - The present commitment from numerous knowledgeable and well respected toning experts gives our organization a strong likihood of success.

4. We do not intend to be a coin "posse" organization. However, if an educated collector is better able to determine NT from AT, so much the better, but the process to accomplish that goal is to acquire a good knowledge basis of coins, grading and understanding the toning process itself. It's kinda like learning how to grade so that when one of the services "misses" you're not stuck with an over-graded coin because you didn't take the time to learn how to grade -

5. Someone suggested that we will "weed" out AT coins. As our organization is not a grading service, we can't "weed" out anything - all we can do is encourage collectors to better understand toned coins and how and why they end up looking like they do - whether naturally toned

, naturally untoned

, dipped and stripped

, or heaven forbid, artificially toned

! Ultimately, its the collector who's responsible for "weeding out" those coins that are unacceptable - and a collector who acquires an understanding of the toning process and the difference between the look of a naturally toned coin, and what AT coins look like will be able to make better decisions as to what he or she she buy and collect. Its really quite simple - If nobody wants them, than there will be no incentive to make 'em. Education and the knowledge that results is the key to a succesful collector, and this is true whether as to counterfits, overgraded coins, and AT coins.

6. I deliberately choose to make the announcement of this Organization on these boards because during the time I have read and posted here I have seen an effort by numerous board members to assit other collectors in acquiring a braod knowledge regarding grading, toning and altered and fake coins. Sometimes it gets a little rambunctous, even nasty, but I think many in this group are dedicated neumismatists and will not only welcome our organization, but will become active and important contributors to not only the TCCS, but to our over-all hobby.

7. To the few nay-sayers - my simple response is - come to our meeting in Pittsburgh - see what we're about and thenn if you don't like what we're trying to accomplish give us your reasoned opinions -

8. With regard to our meeting time in Pittsburgh, I will try and change the time so that it doesn't conflict with the PCGS luncheon - I didn't realize that it was scheduled at the same time, but the ANA does the scheduling and I'll have to ask them to make the change for us - I think there may be a time slot open at 11:30 am on Thursday Aug 19 and I try and switch to that date and time.

9. For all those interested in joining, I'll prepare an Application to fill out and if you PM me your name and email address, I'll send it to you in downloadable PDF format - better yet come to Pittsburgh for the first ever meeting of the Toned Coin Collectors Society - and put your 2 cents in ( - I'll accept nice toned Morgans also!

)

10. To those who don't like toned coins - well, have a glass of jeweluster - just try not to drink too much at one sitting

Tonekiller · July 14, 2004 11:57PM

We are currently creating the backbone of an extensive web site that will allow for communication, education, photo examples, etc. This is a work in progress and open for impute always.

TBT

Morganluver · July 15, 2004 12:49AM

Sounds like a neat idea and a great bunch of guys. I would love to be a part.

airplanenut · July 15, 2004 12:59AM

<< 2. Dues are $25/year ($10 for juniors - under age 18 - but NO Jeremy, you can't buy a 10 year Jr. membership UNLESS you're 8

) >>

I'm suing for age discrimination!!!

toners · July 15, 2004 1:16AM

This is a great idea, I would like to help anyway I can and become a Member. Sorry but I want be able to make the show for the first meeting. PM Sent
Thanks
Allen

Nysoto · July 15, 2004 1:22AM

Newmismatist,

Can you give us a clear definition for artificial toning? Also a clear definition for natural toning. Thanks.

Baley · July 15, 2004 1:33AM

Can you give us a clear definition for artificial toning? Also a clear definition for natural toning.

Newmismatist · July 15, 2004 3:06AM

<< Newmismatist,

Can you give us a clear definition for artificial toning? Also a clear definition for natural toning. Thanks. >>

To paraphrase Justice Potter Stewert "I know it when I see it"

Pretty hard to define without visuals and a little show and tell

airplanenut · July 15, 2004 3:16AM

Natural:

Better be Natural:

TONEDDOLLARS · July 15, 2004 5:47AM

bestbino · July 15, 2004 6:02AM

Interesting concept, I look forward to see more.

Newmismatist · July 15, 2004 1:19PM

Here's the preliminary list of User Names of those who indicated that they would like to be members of the Toned Coin Collectors Society:

NOTE: If your name is not on this list and should be PM me w/name & at least an email address. If your name is on this list and you don't want to be in this organization, please let me know - Note not everyone sent me an email address, so if you didn't provide me with your email address please PM it to me. Thanks

FC57Coins
Sandhawk
Stoner
cdwegner
steelheadbob
coingame2000
Islemangu
KyleKnap
LanLord
RYK
ArtR
toningintheblood
Morganluver
Oak
Toners
mrearlygold
airplanenut
rotatedrainbows
USAROK
ccrdragon
IdahoGal
rainbowquarters
Bear
Frattlaw
Michael
IslandCoins
HaydenTubbs

TonedCoinTrader · July 16, 2004 9:06AM

Don't forget me on that list Newmismatist

I just got back from vegas. Thank's for the PM yeup I'm still In.

Scott

Bear · July 16, 2004 9:15AM

Gee, I wonder if we will every see the" Artfully Toned by The Skilled Hand of Man Association".

Their dubious motto could be why settle for less, then chemistries best.Its getting harder and harder to spot the best

of these Doctors handy work. We really need this association of reputable dealers and collectors, who specialize in Naturally toned

coins to protect us poor schnooks. Wish this had been done 10 years ago. It will be good for the collectors, the dealers and

the hobby.

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