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I have a 56 topps mantle that i bought raw off E-Bay, The corners are fairly nice probably a psa 5 or 6, The edges are the same centering is perfect as wella s the back. The problem is with those dreaded surface creases, The card has about three which are not visible looking straight at the card but when held at an angle in light they can be seen. My question is how much does PSA usually demote a card for surface creases ?? The card without the surface creases would at least grade a psa 5. Would they demote it to a 4 or 3 or even worse?? I heard they are pretty strict on surface creaeses. Thanks for any and all of your opinions............
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  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭

    From the specs I see the highest grade that allows for a crease would be a 4.

    "A light crease may be visible."

    Higher than 4 they mention only light scratches or surface wear.

    Not an expert, but I'm sure they will weigh in to help.

    Keith
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    I don't know much about vintage, but when I first got into grading, I had sent in an 89 UD Griffey RC and had missed a light surface crease that ran across the card from left to right. I thought the card would easily grade at least a 9 because corners, edges, and centering were great. Again, I somehow missed the surface crease and it came back a 6. If you have 3 surface creases, I think it's going to cost you a bunch pending the other three categories are fine. If you're thinking PSA 5 or 6 without the creases; I'm thinking 2 with them. 3 on a good day?
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    I guess the only way to know for sure is to send her in, I was wanting to start a 56 topps set in at least psa 5. Has anyone had any experience with trading lower grade cards and cash for higher grade cards??
    Say for example the Mantle comes back in a PSA 3, Would there be enough demand to trade my PSA 3 and cash for a PSA 5??
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    your card could come back a 2
    Good for you.
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    I agree with winpitcher - they would grade your card a 2.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Did the seller mention the surface creases on the Mantle, or was that an unpleasant surprise? If he did not, I would think about appealing to his sense of fairness and asking for a refund. If the creases were part of the description, then I hope the price was very right.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    I'll keep it in it's screw down holder on my desk before they grade it a 2. It just looks to good to be graded a 2. I mean jeez you can't even see the creaeses without holding it at an angle.
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  • if you bought it Raw off Ebay......it COULD come back as Trimmed - Colored - Altered - etc.



  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    I admit I was a dumb-A** in buying the card. I was really wanting a 56
    Mantle and this one had a good Bin price, So I bought it figuring I could return it if I didnt like it. Well it came and I didnt like it. And I e-mail the guy and tried to return it. he e-mailed me back and said that he would not accept a return and offered a ridicoulous price if i wanted to send it back. So I just kept the darn thing, and chalked it up to a lesson learned. oh by the way I paid 300 for it. Which wasnt that bad of a screwin I dont guess. Could have been worse.
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  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭
    post that seller's ebay id. That's ridiculous. I want to make sure I never buy from him.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    There are some reputable raw dealers you can rely on for commons and minor stars -- Mickey's for example. But even they don't keep raw Mantles in decent shape lying around to sell for bargain prices so the buyer can get it graded. Generally, if a valuable card is gradable it would have been graded. Most raw vintage stuff I bought from average joes and small-time sellers on eBay turned out to be ungraded for a very good reason. Now I stick with dealers I trust on raw stuff.

  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    The sellers name was Timetoshred, I guess I should have figured by the i.d. not to buy from him.
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    that was the last raw card I bought on e-bay, I only buy graded cards now and they are from reputable dealers.
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  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Just don't buy from PRO, GEM, AAA or any of the other shady services. THAT would have been worse (because they would have ignored the creases and graded it high, with a higher price).
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Maybe I should send it to PRO then!!!! it would probably grade a 7 or 8 -hee hee just kiddin
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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    If you have to turn the card at an angle to see the creases, it should grade PSA 3 or PSA 4.

    Nick
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    if you bought it Raw off Ebay......it COULD come back as Trimmed - Colored - Altered - etc.>>>

    that 2 doesnt sound so bad afterall now does it?

    I say this because I too bought a RAW card off ebay touted by a decent seller as ex to ex/mnt..........2 minor creases on the back of the card seen only at an angle brought my 48 J Robby rookie to a PSA 2 it is though a nice looking card non the less and prolly the nicest 2 one will ever see. I had hoped for a 3 or 4 even with the sellers claim of it being ex-ex/mnt.

    edited to add my seller in this case sells mainly graded cards, is a seller's asst etc. when i emailed him (before i bidded) why this card isnt graded, his reply was that he was selling it under the sellers asst thingy.
    Good for you.
  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    Before sending the card to PSA, I would highly recommend doing the following things...

    1) Take it out of the screw down and measure it... if it's more than 1/32 of an inch smaller than 2 5/8 x 3 3/4 in either direction, they won't grade it.

    2) Take it out of any type of protective container and look at it under a black light in a dark room... this will allow you to check for alterations. You'll notice them easily if it's been altered, they stand out like a sore thumb under a black light.

    3) Look closely at the surface of the front and back of the card under 10x magnification to look for recoloring. These are much more likely to be present on cards with colored borders, so I wouldn't be overly concerned on a '56, but it's worth 2-3 minutes to scan the surface to see if there are any. Under 10x magnification, they are easy to detect if there are any present.

    4) It doesn't sound like the authenticity of the card is in question, but if it were an issue (I'm not certain if the 56 Mantle has a well-known counterfeit copy), you can check that rather easily just by looking for solid ink printing of the text & borders on the front of the card. The majority of the time, if a card is a counterfeit, those solid areas will appear in half-tone printing (a bunch of tiny dots).

    Hope this helps. I do this to every one of my cards prior to buying them and/or sending them in. Very seldom do I ever get rejects.
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