Walking Liberty 43P / Test Scan & Post

mheffner2 · July 10, 2004 11:56PM

New Collector trying to use photograde to test grade on my own & trying to post a scan. I've been searching the boards for an hour trying to find the best way to do this... yowsers! Any grade guessing for me - I'm being liberal and by reading photgrade and PCGS Coing Grading book praying for a 65! Here goes...

Finally got a better scan!

Still just a slider?

mheffner2 · July 10, 2004 11:57PM

DOH! I used http://forums.collectors.com//attachments/WalkLib50 43P O-R as the format to post the pic.. GRRRR!

Linking the pic anyhow

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 12:01AM

OK - Figured out the posting a pic part, now how about some pixels for ya...

100proof1957 · July 11, 2004 12:08AM

Nice pix !

But,im sorry,its a slider AU

merz2 · July 11, 2004 12:13AM

I have to agree with Proof. It is AU

XpipedreamR · July 11, 2004 12:13AM

Yes, clearly

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 12:17AM

You guys can see through my pixels! Any words on the oval impression in the center of the coin? I'm not sure how visible it is in my top notch scannery. I paid $45 for that slider - dang tooting, should of stayed away from the Baltimore show afterall!

ziggy29 · July 11, 2004 12:19AM

Nice coin, but I agree with the others -- it's AU.

merz2 · July 11, 2004 12:25AM

On the Obv the circle is luster.The Reverse is the real problem.

100proof1957 · July 11, 2004 12:27AM

I do see the oval.
Dead giveaway is the Eagle breast,looks like he molted.
Libertys leg moving toward the thumb is slick,the thumb is not split,most P mint walkers from the 40's are well struck,if it was a soft strike like an S mint,it would still be a slider.

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 12:27AM

The more I think about this, the more it's a lesson learned. I bought this at the Baltimore show, the first show I've been to as a collector. I sure feel like I overpaid. Can't say I wasn't warned! As a new collector this makes me want to buy ONLY slabbed coins, at least then I can trust what I'm paying for. And that isn't much fun!

ziggy29 · July 11, 2004 12:31AM

<< <i>The more I think about this, the more it's a lesson learned. I bought this at the Baltimore show, the first show I've been to as a collector. I sure feel like I overpaid. Can't say I wasn't warned! As a new collector this makes me want to buy ONLY slabbed coings, at least then I can trust what I'm paying for. And that isn't much fun!

>>

Well, you could just examine a lot of coins -- look at a lot of slabbed AU and MS coins. Learn to find where the coins begin to show wear (this coin's breast feathers, for example, clearly show signs of wear). Learn to examine the luster in proper lighting for breaks or subdued areas. Do this with many coins.

Eventually it will get easier. And really, if this is one of the worst purchasing blunders you'll make, it's a cheap education!

puff · July 11, 2004 12:39AM

<< <i>You guys can see through my pixels! Any words on the oval impression in the center of the coin? I'm not sure how visible it is in my top notch scannery. I paid $45 for that slider - dang tooting, should of stayed away from the Baltimore show afterall!

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If you could have bought this 1943 PCGS ms68 for $45.00 you would be walkin in high cotton.

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 12:43AM

I do get my new glasses tomorrow! That 68 is perty! Though I think my scan is hurting me a wee bit....

Russ · July 11, 2004 1:31AM

mheffner2,

$45 is a cheap lesson, and now you have an excellent example of a nice AU coin.

Russ, NCNE

XpipedreamR · July 11, 2004 1:35AM

Oh come on, guys...how can you tell it's AU? It may very well be, but there's no way you can tell from that picture!

Russ · July 11, 2004 1:47AM

<< <i>Oh come on, guys...how can you tell it's AU? >>

The Philly mint coins from that era normally come with a nice crisp strike. That one is too flat on the high points and has some obvious luster breaks. Look at her boobs, for example.

Russ, NCNE

100proof1957 · July 11, 2004 1:53AM

Pipe,
i mean really,come now !
its not even a 58
i give it a 53 !

XpipedreamR · July 11, 2004 2:00AM

Hmmm...I'm not sure I'm convinced. Not that it is or isn't AU, but that you can tell from the pic. It seems that everything you note could be an artifact of th bad photo, pixelation, etc. Everyone else seems to see it, though, so maybe I just need new glasses!

Fairlaneman · July 11, 2004 2:02AM

<< <i>Oh come on, guys...how can you tell it's AU? It may very well be, but there's no way you can tell from that picture!

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I agree.

From what is on my monitor no grade opinion would be given. Maybe the coin is Mint State and the forum is leading this person in the wrong direction. Thats not Good folks. If a much better picture is put up here then the comments would be OK if it is indeed a AU coin.

Ken

DorkGirl · July 11, 2004 2:07AM

I can't see the coin well enough for a grade. It may be my monitor, or maybe we need a little better picture.

100proof1957 · July 11, 2004 2:23AM

I have a Viewsonic A70 17" monitor.
i feel the pix is good enough to call it AU
i think if i had the coin in hand with a 5x loupe i would still call it AU

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 2:46AM

I did a search to try and come up with a better scan, not much luck. Could be I'm pixelating it badly when trying to make the file size small enough to post. Any suggestions? THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK - YOU GUYS ROCK!

steelheadbob · July 11, 2004 3:47AM

If I were to grade from the photo it would be AU and a slider. The more I look at the photo I notice nothing is sharp so the photo may very well be at fault. I am fairly new to collecting and before purchasing did a whole lot of research. I then bought a lot of slabbed coins of different grades(most recent to keep the cost down) and different grading companies, so I could compare and see what made a coin a certain grade. I then bought from a few dealers and compared their raw coin grades to the slabs. Lately I have been comparing different Ebay sellers. It doesn't take long to figure out who is all sizzle and no steak. $45.00 may not seem like alot but it's more the thought than the price. Hold on to that coin and compare it to a slabbed 65 and note the difference. Who knows it may be just a bad photo. If it is a slider that dealer may have gotten one over on you but who knows what it cost him in the long run.

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 7:20AM

ANOTHER SCAN ATTEMPT

Russ · July 11, 2004 7:29AM

Still looks AU to me. Note the rub on the boobs, cheek and upper thigh.

Russ, NCNE

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 7:34AM

Thanks for the look! Learning here - you the man!

stman · July 11, 2004 9:32AM

Hi, from the looks of your scan I feel confident it is not an Uncirculated Walker. Even if the image is not great I can clearly see the rub/wear on the breast and going down Liberty's leg. This is what they sold as "Choice and Gem BU" years ago before certification. You said you paid 45.00 so I'm assuming you thought (or were led to believe) it was a ms63-64, and I just read you were hoping for ms65. You seem to have a good attitude about this possible tuition you just paid so that's a good thing.

BTW, years ago I looked at tons of 1943 Walkers that were sliders as this appears to be. It was a year that has some sentimental value to someone I once knew very well. I would like to know if a dealer presented this to you as mid-grade mintstate or you just found it looking through his wares? Good luck to you in the future and...... be careful out there.

100proof1957 · July 11, 2004 10:31AM

Heff,
first collector type coins i bought were RAW Walkers about 1988,sent them to ANACS,i think 2 came back 2-3 points lower in grade and 1 came back in a BB for PVC damage.
Time to look at a lot more coins !
Dont pay good money for a raw short set walker,while i havent been to a show in a long time,i suspect an MS63 in a slab is around 50 bucks and an MS65 about 125.00

Proof

mheffner2 · July 11, 2004 10:33AM

A dealer at the Baltimore show presented it as MS63, in his grading world anyhow. I was looking for the piece for my AU/low-MS type set. I think I overpaid by like $25? It's a great story that that year brings you good memories!

nankraut · July 11, 2004 10:42AM

Hef: Welcome to the forum. Here's my 2-cents worth of advice for you. I've learned more here in the past year than my previous 10 years diddling around with coins. Some people here are VERY sharp, and we always need to consider their advice. Russ comes to mind almost immediately.

Fairlaneman · July 11, 2004 11:10AM

Still cannot tell anything from the scan. You guys cannot see enough to give out a logical opinion. Russ you for one certainly know what happens when the Camera angle and Lighting angle is not correct. Heck you can make Dog Kennedys look good and I can do the same with Dog Mercs if I wanted to. Sound advice for this guy is better than saying he took it in the shorts on this one. JMHO.

Russ I'm not picking on you but just stateing a fact that you know is true.

Here is a question for you guys that are sure this coin is AU by these photos. If Puff would have walked onto these forums and put his MS68 Walker up for grade and we did not know what grades he collects how many of you would have said MS68 ? Not many I bet. Probably everyone would have said 66 or 67 maybe. Heck probably some would have said 64 also.

Ken

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