I'm Starting to Gain Respect for ANACS (1892-S Morgan)

braddick

Earlier today there was a photo of a PCGS XF40 1892-S Morgan in an earlier Thread along with another Thread disparaging ANACS.
I received this ANACS 1892-S XF40 Morgan this week and it looks all of XF and the equal to the PCGS coin.

I guess the moral is each of the Services has coins that are overgraded; undergraded, and coins that match YOUR idea of the 'right' grade.

ANACS

DennisH

Pat:

Um... the feathers inside the left wing look worn together in several places, which would mean VF35... or is that just the scan?

K6AZ

My PCGS XF40 on the left, Pat's ANACS XF40 on the right:

goose3

Hey Pat.
I've noticed that lately you've really improved on your picture capabilities.

What gives? new camera?

braddick

<< <i>My PCGS XF40 on the left, Pat's ANACS XF40 on the right:

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I suppose you could take a small, single sample of each coin, highlight it and feature that...

Edited to add: Eric, I trust your Judgement on Morgans overall. I know it's tough to grade via a photo, but do you honestly not believe my 92-S is an EF?

BigAl

pretty close to EF. bet it would go VF35 at pcgs.

ms70

I'd give it a 45.

GAT

Pat,..........A lot of people here will always bash NGC and ANACS because PCGS is paying for the bandwidth. The only thing that really matters is if your happy with the grade.

GAT, over in Oceanside.

K6AZ

Pat, it's really up to you. It's your coin. I posted that particular area in comparison because that is the key diagnostic area for coins in this grade range.

BigD5

But don't you feel you have to judge the whole coin?

Braddick's coin is xf all day every day. The coin looks solid. If you want to focus solely on the wing area, you're not grading the whole coin.

Same thing comes around with full horn vf buffalo nickels. If the whole coin grades vf, and the horn isn't all there, some people won't grade the coins vf. You can't focus on only one aspect of the coin to give an overall grade. The horn "thing" may be the first thing collectors look at, but it's not the sole factor.


Sorry I veered off track of the Morgans.

braddick

<< <i>Pat, it's really up to you. It's your coin. I posted that particular area in comparison because that is the key diagnostic area for coins in this grade range. >>

Ok, I read it wrong then. I thought it was possibly your way of stating the coin was not an XF. I'm happy with it. The coin has that hard, dove gray original look* I seek on these circulated Morgans. It's also appealing to me the lack of marks.

*The photo was slightly lightened to bring out the detail. It is a shade or two darker gray.

BAJJERFAN

<< <i>Braddick's coin is xf all day every day. The coin looks solid. If you want to focus solely on the wing area, you're not grading the whole coin. >>



In the same way that a chain is no stronger than its weakest link, a coin is no better than its worst features!!

BigAl

I really like your coin: nice rims, good color, and no distractions. In my book it's a very nice VF/EF slider. I'll post what I consider a solid EF coin, and I'll breifly point out what I consider the main obv/rev hot spots to make EF.







Obv: the Very First thing my eyes zero in on when looking at a VF/EF is the leaf petal that overlaps the bottom leaf. Almost always this petal must be distinct to make EF. Both the pic above and the 92-s posted earlier have undeniable separation. Looking at the coin you posted, I don't see a distinct separation, could be there, but may be marginal. The other leaf you need to be concerned with is the rightmost petal of the top leaf; the point of this petal should be distinct from the cap---you look o.k. here. If the bottom leaf is not distinct, but the hair has killer detail you still stand a chance at EF......but I do not see this in the coin you posted---see coin above for EF hair detail.

Rev: all feather lines distinct with a distinct neckline. Both the 92-s posted earlier and the example above both share these qualities. Difficult to tell judging by the pic you posted, but both these areas don't seem as detailed.

As for EF45, the areas I listed above must be unquestionable, as well as a few hints of luster usually around the obverse stars and reverse wreath. You usually see alot more meat on an EF45, puffier cheek and better hair detail. To call the coin you posted an EF45 is a super huge stretch in my book.

coinkat

Both coins appear to be within the EF spectrum... both look original which is a big plus from my perspective. I would rather see them both in person because there are some 1892-s that have slightly soft strikes... that is probably part of the difference we are seeing here.