1966 Topps Mantle - worth a freakin fortune!!!!
BigKidAtHeart
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I wrote the seller to let them know
that he was way off on the price
(see my note below) in case he was just
clueless, which I am pretty sure he is...
VERY EXPENSIVE 1966 Topps Mantle
I am not sure if you are just having fun with this listing or if you actually think that this card is worth the rediculously high price you placed on it, but I thought I would try and help you just in case you do not really know.
The SMR (sports market report - http://www.psacard.com/smrweb/) is the price guide that gives the latest Retail prices (or "book values") for PSA and other graded sportscards. Below is the listing for the 66 Mantle in grades 5 through 9 from the latest edition. You can CLEARLY see that you are very far from the Top retail/book price for a PSA 5 of $95. I just wanted to tell you, so you will know why you are getting NO bids. You might want to save yourself some time and effort and just change the price on your auction, or at least do a realistic price when you relist it after it does not sell.
1966 Topps Mickey Mantle (HOF) #50
PSA 5 = $95
PSA 6 = $145
PSA 7 = $250
PSA 8 = $525
PSA 9 = $3000
that he was way off on the price
(see my note below) in case he was just
clueless, which I am pretty sure he is...
VERY EXPENSIVE 1966 Topps Mantle
I am not sure if you are just having fun with this listing or if you actually think that this card is worth the rediculously high price you placed on it, but I thought I would try and help you just in case you do not really know.
The SMR (sports market report - http://www.psacard.com/smrweb/) is the price guide that gives the latest Retail prices (or "book values") for PSA and other graded sportscards. Below is the listing for the 66 Mantle in grades 5 through 9 from the latest edition. You can CLEARLY see that you are very far from the Top retail/book price for a PSA 5 of $95. I just wanted to tell you, so you will know why you are getting NO bids. You might want to save yourself some time and effort and just change the price on your auction, or at least do a realistic price when you relist it after it does not sell.
1966 Topps Mickey Mantle (HOF) #50
PSA 5 = $95
PSA 6 = $145
PSA 7 = $250
PSA 8 = $525
PSA 9 = $3000
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the seller can list the card for whatever the hell he wants. quit being Mr. Internet Cop and leave people alone.
loth
<< <i>people were paying 50-75 bucks for them cause they wthought they were the real card.....and im not crapping you... >>
Loth
Let me start with, I like BKAH so I may be biased - I think his heart is in the right place and only wants to help.
Ryan you are correct on that card that stirred a little ire a few months ago. And I do believe that some people could use some help. We have had this debate before and don't want to start it up again - but IMO, the board has done some good work keeping unsuspecting people from having scam artists come between them and their money.
Stone
If the guy wants toask 10K he can! You need to seriously get a life and stop harrasing sellers IT IS VIOLATION of ebay spam policies!
shop and tell him he is selling his cards for too much?
LMK
Kevin
very nice ebay person, got fast item A+++++++ Buyer 61349( 174) Jun-04-04 13:05 4132125284
Reply by lachyna1: Very nice person too!!
wow 500.00 bucks for an archive card ...and positive feedback to boot...........
I've often comtemplated doing the same thing, e.g., there's an OPC seller who sells low grade versions at ridiculously high prices and rarely gets any bids. However, most of these people know what they are doing, and most are fishing for that sucker buyer. More importantly, it's their freedom to do so. I won't recommend that you mind your own business, but your efforts will most likely fall on deaf ears.
<< <i>the board has done some good work keeping unsuspecting people from having scam artists come between them and their money. >>
Yes, indeed Mike. But this really isn't a "scam". It may be a clueless seller, it may be a dreamer, but it isn't a scam to charge whatever you want for something. What someone will pay is another story. And, who says the SMR is law anyway?
<< <i>Yes, indeed Mike. But this really isn't a "scam". It may be a clueless seller, it may be a dreamer, but it isn't a scam to charge whatever you want for something. What someone will pay is another story. And, who says the SMR is law anyway? >>
CT
I got in the middle of some mixed metaphors:
1. On BKAH - I felt he didn't deserve to be addressed that way and as a friend I was backing him like I would any other friend on the board.
2. The "scam" part was addressing Lothar who was talking about the phony 53T Robinson card.
3. We kind of touched on a philsophical difference of opinion subject about playing internet cop and I was kind of addressing the good that getting involved has done with scams like the card Lothar is talking about and I provided a link to that card.
4. I did not take a position on BKAH's deal but I can see the point of letting someone go fishing - that can be construed as someone's right and I agree with JS that you wouldn't rudely walk into someone's place of business and berate them about their prices. Having said that, if the link were provided as such and people were to comment on it - I think many would have questioned the high price. I think I have said enuff.
I will apologize for the confusion that I made - wrote too quickly.
your friend
Mike
Hey, it could be worse - it could be a PRO 10 Mantle auction! (PRO=PSA L@@K WOW!)
<< <i>Jeff has to so something in the weeks in between Bonds homers! Jeff...Would you walk into a guys card
shop and tell him he is selling his cards for too much? >>
Joe, maybe if they pitch to Bonds he might have more than 23 homers. (3 IBB's tonight). And yes, I have told card dealers in the past about stratosphere priced cards. BKAH is just trying to help. Don't read into it any more than that.
Sometimes it takes some balls to get to the obvious facts............got any balls Joe? Didn't think so..........
And BTW, how 'bout dem Buc's!!!
BOTR
You're brand new on eBay, your account is wired in with your brand new PayPal account, you're intoxicated as you stumble through this vast marketplace. You want to buy something, a graded card, because you have just recently learned graded is where the hobby is at. Your collection of raw cards stuffed into binders seems quaint now. You want to get up to speed as you renew your collecting passion.
What to buy... Something cheap, to get your feet wet? That is sensible, but your blood is pumping, you want your instant gratification to have more oomph. The first buy will be a Mantle! Yeah...... So you do a search with Mantle as a keyword. Holy cow, look at all this stuff! Most of it's not even baseball cards! OK, new search: Mantle and some of the grading companies you have heard of or seen in descriptions: PRO, PSA, GEM, CTA, any of those would be fine, you think, as long as it's in one of those nifty holders with the cool labels.
By purest good fortune the first Mantle on the search list is a PSA card, a 1966. It's PSA 5 ... Not the highest grade, even a newbie off the turnip truck knows that, but look at the opening price. $450, that doesn't seem like much for a real Mantle! Didn't the 1952 one sell for like a million dollars or something? Oh crap, you have to wait a couple days before the auction ends, surely someone will top your bid before then, people are just hanging back waiting to pounce. That's why there's no bids. Yeah. Hey... Buy it now $600! Will the bidding go that high in the last few hours? Surely it won't go for only $450 once the sharks come to feed, no way. Better grab it quick.
Maybe you should look around some more, get a feel for the market, do some research ... But the compulsion to buy something in this wonderful new world of eBay and graded cards is overwhelming. You love this Mantle. It's a hell of a lot better looking than the ratty creased one in your binder! Buy it now and it's yours, no waiting, no uncertainty. OK, here goes .......
*** Such people join eBay every day, and they learn their lessons the hard way. Maybe even some of us. If they're smart, lucky, or both, they might check out a forum like this one before clicking "Buy It Now."
<< <i>Either you have a knack for marketing or this was your introductory experience to the collecting world. Nice write-up. >>
Not exactly, but close. I was out of the hobby for longer than PSA's been around. When I resurfaced I spent way too much money on the wrong stuff before I learned what's what. The auction that started this thread is aimed at just such people. Nine times out of 10 it will go without a bid, but that one time is worth it for the seller.
<< <i>Jeff...Would you walk into a guys card shop
and tell him he is selling his cards for too much? >>
Listen, ALL card shops sell their stuff
for too much in my opinion (but that is another thread)
but as to your question... IF their prices were 500% higher than
SMR and not even a realistic price for something
then, ABSOLUTELY I would tell them they are dreaming
and then try to educate them on what prices really are.
I would and so should you. And that is not just card shops
but with Repair men, car dealers, whatever... if you are buying
you should do the research first so YOU dont get screwed, but
by the same token, what is wrong with trying to help someone
out there from GETTING Screwed by either EXPOSING dishonest
sellers (which we all love to do around here) or
by HELPING a novice seller that does not know any better with
their prices.
In this case I Honestly believed that they just did not have a clue
and were not out for a "fast buck" but instead thought that they
had a mantle, so it MUST be worth a fortune. I was trying to be
helpfull and save them all the time, trouble and ebay fees of relisting
it week after week with a price no one would touch.
Did I have to email them? No.
Did I want to help them? Yes.
Did the seller complain? No.
Does it really violate Any Ebay SPAM rules? NO
(that one was even funny!)
and Should I get so much grief about it? No. I dont think so.
Suffice to say, I at least now know several people on these
forums (in this thread) that I would not ever try to help
based on their reaction to me, but that is ok too, because
I also know who I WILL always be nice to and help whenever they need it.
<< <i>jrdolan. Great example. But what if your drunken Ebayer had his caps lock on so his password didn't work, and he couldn't place a bid. He's in New York and the sellers in California but in his drunken state he grabs his car keys and decides to drive to California to pick up the card instead. What can we do to protect him? >>
Actually I mean't "intoxicated" with the euphoria of having a world of cards to bid on for the first time. But the same principal applies as with alcohol. Friends don't let friends bid drunk!
you have no right to email ebayers unless you have business with them. If he reported it EBAY would send you a emailing that you are harassing a seller who has not broke any rules.
Either way it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS rent a cop
The only thing 'wrong' with what you did was post it on this board. Next time, just keep it to yourself and know that you're just trying to help out or understand. A few boneheads here can't see the forest because of the trees.
Yeah, and for the 'butt out of their business' people, you can put any price on anything - but remember anyone with half a brain will look elsewhere if the auction is stupid enough. And this one is.........
pick6,
I have no idea why all the vile from you on this. If someone would question my auctions, I'd either reply or not, simple as that. Would it offend me? Nope. And you mention the 'harassing' of the seller? I think you're paranoid pal.
BOTR
<< <i>pick6,
I have no idea why all the vile from you on this. If someone would question my auctions, I'd either reply or not, simple as that. Would it offend me? Nope. And you mention the 'harassing' of the seller? I think you're paranoid pal.
BOTR >>
BKAH's first paragraph to the seller sounds inflammatory, whether it was meant that way or not.. even the way it is typed appears that he was legitimately upset with the sellers listing, (ie- the all caps CLEARLY and all caps "NO" bids, and the use of the word "rEdiculous")..
if somebody sent me an email like that, i'd tell them where they could go and how little i'd care..
BUT, i understand that BKAH didnt MEAN for the email to be anything other than helpful, so..
jrdolan - I will reinforce the opinion of the others about your great example. Many here have probably had some type of similar experience and maybe even wish we had been drunk at the time. The euphoria of obtaining a card that we believe is very valuable and doing so before any other buyers get involved can drive us to start punching keys furiously. We then learn as we delve further into the hobby.
BKAH - I see no problem with you giving correct info to what seems to be an uninformed seller. She probably fell across this card somewhere, made a few calls about prices and searched Ebay like jrdolan's hypothetical buyer. Like the buyer she believes that her card is going to pay this month's rent. Letting her know about reality may help her sell the item rather than list it at a price where no one will bid, and a bunch of hobbyists will spend time kvetching about it on the internet.
Do sellers have the right to set their price? Yes.
Can the informed hobbyist get an idea from the listing about the seller's experience? Sometimes, and then you can ask also.
Does BKAH have the right to contact the seller about her price? Certainly, if done so in a manner that helps inform.
Now let's all get along - this subject is not worth getting angry.
Keith
<< <i>Jeff,
The only thing 'wrong' with what you did was post it on this board. Next time, just keep it to yourself and know that you're just trying to help out or understand. A few boneheads here can't see the forest because of the trees.
BOTR >>
you are absolutely right!
In fact, if I had just posted the LINK to the auction
all these same goobers that are slamming ME for emailing
her, would instead be slamming HER for the auction...
That's not to say it's right; a service is performed by those who call it out (in a non-combative manner) and also by those who defend the seller's (and buyer's) freedom of choice.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< Jeff,
The only thing 'wrong' with what you did was post it on this board. Next time, just keep it to yourself and know that you're just trying to help out or understand. A few boneheads here can't see the forest because of the trees.
BOTR >>
<you are absolutely right!
In fact, if I had just posted the LINK to the auction
all these same goobers that are slamming ME for emailing
her, would instead be slamming HER for the auction...>
uh huh
I'm all for contacting prospective buyers and alerting them of bogus listings, a different topic I know.
Ebay provides certain freedoms; one is to jack up the price as much as possible. Another is to educate buyers and sellers.
<< <i>
I'm all for contacting prospective buyers and alerting them of bogus listings, a different topic I know.
>>
i hope you're not talking about this particular Mantle auction, though.. i dont think its a "Bogus" listing, is it? a "bogus" listing is one thing, but interfering with a legitimate transaction, REGARDLESS of what you think an "appropriate" price may be, is SCUMBAG low..