1885-CC ANACS MS-64 DMPL Morgan - New Cameo Effect Photos!!!

Stuart · July 8, 2004 9:22AM

I am very pleased and proud to post some images of my newest 1885-CC ANACS MS-64 DMPL Morgan Dollar which I just purchased from a fellow forum member.

He told me that the coin has a pedigree having originally been part of Bill Lower's Morgan dollar collection. The images were kindly provided to me by the seller. I will be posting some of my own new images as soon as I can get them taken and posted on the forum.

Folks this is one very beautiful Morgan Dollar!!

1885-CC ANACS MS-64 DMPL Morgan Dollar

Louis · July 8, 2004 9:26AM

Looks very nice Stuart.

DorkGirl · July 8, 2004 9:28AM

I can't wait to see your photos!!! She looks like she has a very clean cheek, beautiful!!!

Tassa · July 8, 2004 9:30AM

Gorgeous!

CoinAddict · July 8, 2004 9:43AM

Great coin, Stuart.

flyingcougar13 · July 8, 2004 9:51AM

Nice coin Stuart, from the pic it looks 65+!

coinlieutenant · July 8, 2004 10:01AM

That is very nice stuart...

The pics make it look nicer than 64...

coinkat · July 8, 2004 10:06AM

WHAT A TERRIFIC COIN! This is the type of coin that speaks for itself and plastic just gets in the way... Congrats on such a fine addition to your collection. MS64 DMPL?

EDITED to add: I would be pleased and proud too

lava · July 8, 2004 10:42AM

Looks like a solid 64, are you going to send it in for crossover?

mrearlygold · July 8, 2004 11:28AM

Another nice coin Stuart!

Rgrds
Tom

dollardude · July 8, 2004 12:00PM

Nice find, Stuart. She looks like she would bump up to MS65DMPL at PCGS to me.

fountainheadgold · July 8, 2004 12:10PM

ultradmpldollars · July 8, 2004 3:02PM

Thats a great looking PQ piece, Stuart. I love the touch of color around the peripherals, with solid mirrors.

LincolnCentMan · July 8, 2004 4:36PM

Man!!! That's a yummy one!

David

Stuart · July 8, 2004 10:38PM

Thanks to everyone for your compliments on my new 1885-CC ANACS MS-64 DMPL Morgan!! I am very excited and pleased to add her to my collection -- she's a long-term keeper!!

UltraDMPLDollars: The mirrors are much better in person than in these photos. I will take some new photos which will hopefully better depict the mirror surfaces of the coin.

Lava: I was told by the previous owner that he already tried crossing it to PCGS, and that it did not cross. I will examine the coin closely and try to determine why it did not cross. There are some VERY faint hairlines (really tough to see) which may have been the cause -- but looking at the coin in person that's hard for me to believe...

DollarDude: After initial examination of the coin, I agree with you that it's got a shot at PCGS MS-65 PL (or DMPL). Although the mirrors are there (at least PL), I feel that perhaps the coin's ANACS DMPL designation was the reason that it didn't cross because it seems to me more like a PCGS MS-65 PL (perhaps shot 66?) than a DMPL. I'll show the coin to a few folks and get their opinion on it before trying to submit it to PCGS.

numonebuyer · July 9, 2004 4:26AM

I would love to hear why it was graded only a 64. Liberty's face seems to be completely clean. The fields in the prime focal area are also clean. The strike is crisp and full.

I love looking at coins such as this. A wonderful example. Thanks for sharing.

ultradmpldollars · July 9, 2004 4:28AM

Stuart, there is no reason to put the coin in a PCGS holder, IMO. Love the coin for what it is, not the plastic.

PQpeace · July 9, 2004 4:33AM

Super coin !!!
This is the type of Dollar I tried to include in my set.
Very PQ with personality !
Eye appeal is *** plus !
Congrats,
Larry

FC57Coins · July 9, 2004 4:36AM

I agree with Ultradimpledollars Stuart, this coin is great looking at it just as it is - if you want to have her regraded to see how she does in a PCGS holder great - but the satisfaction that it's a superb coin in her own right should bring you plenty of satisfaction

Neptune · July 9, 2004 4:49AM

smoooooooooth!

mgoodm3 · July 9, 2004 4:51AM

nice looking coin. Seems very conservatively graded based on those pics at least. I want to see some big images. Looks like it would take a real nice picture.

ANACONDA · July 9, 2004 4:53AM

Nice coin and nice images. I have found that ANACS can be very conservative. I love DMPL CC dollars. Quite the beauty and history.

paigowjohnny · July 9, 2004 4:58AM

That is a nice coin. I like ANACS overall...I think they're very good calling MS Morgans...may be a tad loose by some standards on circ Morgans...but overall pretty good.

keets · July 9, 2004 5:00AM

hey Stuart

to cross or not to cross, that is the question. whether 'tiss nobler on the forum...........oh, just forget it!!!!

the lady looks nice even though she's a Bullion Coin!!! i would consider that it's graded at 64DM due to the fact that ANACS tends to grade more technically and has less willingness to market grade. they most likely assessed what appears from the pictures as strike weakness and perhaps slight friction with a balance on the mirrors/color and gave the grade.

it seems to be another case of the eternal question we ask ourselves----do i accept the coin as holdered or go for the maxed out insert?? as it is now, we view it as PQ and love it vs. other MS64DM's. in a 65-66 whatever holder it would be viewed vs. other PQ same grades and seen in a different light.

i say hold Her as is for a six month probationary period, bring to shows as an escort and see how She gets winked at. ask those who know Ladies-of-the-Night better than yourself of their opinion, than give it to a walkthrough guru, if that's the decision, and part with the C-note.

al h.

Numismanic · July 9, 2004 5:01AM

Stuart, that is one very PQ 85-CC !!!

Shamika · July 9, 2004 5:03AM

<< <i>He told me that the coin has a pedigree having originally been part of Bill Lower's Morgan dollar collection. >>

I want to know who Bill Lower is/was.

kyleknap · July 9, 2004 5:11AM

Very nice coin Stuart; and every bit as nice in an ANACS holder as in any other.

Kyle

Placid · July 9, 2004 5:12AM

My favorite type of morgan, a 64 with the only thing stopping it from grading higher is the strike.

airplanenut · July 9, 2004 5:46AM

Sweet coin!

gsaguy · July 9, 2004 6:06AM

Stuart,

That's one fine looking piece......I love the 'look'....and it definitely appears conservatively graded based on the photo.

GSAGUY

As for the other important question, I bet I could cross it over to a Capital Plastics Holder.

dpoole · July 9, 2004 6:41AM

Terrific looking coin, Stuart!

Baley · July 9, 2004 7:57AM

that is verrry satiny and mirrored, let me guess... the pictures can't show the shimmery luster, right?

congrats

Stuart · July 9, 2004 10:05AM

Here are 4 new photos that I took yesterday of my new 1885-CC ANACS MS-64 DMPL Morgan Dollar which depict more of the details on the coin (upper pair) and also show the mirror surfaces (lower pair).

coinkat · July 9, 2004 10:12AM

The second group of photos look great... the coin is just an example of why collectors need to look beyond plastic and look at the coin.

BigE · July 9, 2004 10:16AM

Looks like "CC" is tilted to the left, possibly Vam-3

-----------BigE

SportsModerator · July 9, 2004 10:19AM

64? 64? 64?

errrrrrr, looks like a candidate for a breakout to me. Who was commenting on the strike? Doesn't look that soft to me. Gut feeling is that those chest feathers are soft as a result of the photography. JMHO

BigD5 · July 9, 2004 10:55AM

A wonderful looking coin, and hard to imagine what could be going on with that coin as to why it wouldn't cross.

Are the mirrors just shy of dmpl, in hand. That has to be it, as the coin seems to have everything else going for it.

Excellent eye appeal. Congratulations Stuart.

lordmarcovan · July 9, 2004 11:16AM

Purty.

charley · July 9, 2004 11:25AM

Seriously undergraded piece,and aggresively sought after-this is a strong cameo contrast-pop. maybe 200 or so, a 65 without question, and I would definitely seek Tiso opinion.

jhar · July 9, 2004 11:35AM

dizzlecc · July 9, 2004 11:51AM

Very nice.

Please do add some history on the lineage of the coin, now that it is part of the Stuart collection.

Stuart · July 9, 2004 1:23PM

I very much appreciate all of your compliments on this really nice 1885-CC. Thanks for all of your suggestions and for sharing your experiences with me!!

Conder101 · July 9, 2004 2:12PM

The coin looks very nice and markfree, but something about the rims bothers me. Especially from 8:00 - 12:00 and at 3:30.

oreville · July 9, 2004 3:00PM

Conder101: I believe that Stuart's 1885-CC silver dollar looks to be slightly off center struck which is why ANACS graded it MS-64DMPL instead of MS-65 DMPL. The denticles are incomplete in certain areas and very complete in others.

Take a look at my 1883-CC which was graded MS-63PL PQ by Hallmark many many moons ago!. The rim shows the same inconsistent denticle appeareance which upon closer inspection, resulted from the coin being struck off-center. It is in fact a cool looking thing to look at and in my view, does not deserve a down grade. But in the olden days, this was how the grading services viewed such coins.

Your thougths and also Stuart's comments re inspection of his coin should clarify my hypothesis.

loanshark · July 9, 2004 9:54PM

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!

Loan Shark

Stuart · July 9, 2004 11:07PM

<< The coin looks very nice and markfree, but something about the rims bothers me. Especially from 8:00 - 12:00 and at 3:30. >>

Conder: Are you referring to the obverse or the reverse rims in the above quote ?? Thanks in advance for clarifying.

Conder101 · July 9, 2004 11:25PM

Specificly the obverse, and it isn't incompleteness that concerns me, I've seen that before and it is just a matter of striking. What I'm seeing appear to be lumps on top of the denticals and spikes or extentions from the denticals out into the field. Most noticably by the dot between the E and P. These could be the result of die chips or cracks. It just looks odd.

davewang202 · July 10, 2004 12:51AM

Stuart, I'm a Morgan collector, and I've been friends with Ron for a few years. I know which dealer he bought that coin from, and I had told him that I like the coin so much that I wanted to buy it from him. (He told me that it wasn't for sale... It's part of his "permanent collection") I even helped him crop the pictures and create the picture plates that he provided to you. Then I went to the Baltimore show with him yesterday, and when he told me that he sold the 1885CC, and it wasn't for profit, I couldn't believe it. I let him have a earful. He said that he sold it to a PCGS forum member that seemed like a really nice guy. (apparently you) Grrrrrrr...

Oh well. My loss is your gain.

That is one nice coin. No doubt about it. Congrats. (Back to being mad at Ron)

Stuart · July 10, 2004 1:06AM

Dave: Thanks for your post. I promised the seller that I would keep the coin in my collection, and that I was not purchasing it for resale.

This is a coin that means a lot to me, and I am very appreciative of having the opportunity to be the next caretaker of this beautiful and historic coin. I do try to be a nice guy.

I will be pleased to publicly thank the seller if he wishes to disclose his identity. He and I have been discussing this coin since at least March of this year.

davewang202 · July 10, 2004 3:24AM

He said that he gave in and sold it to you because he thought that you were a good guy. I told him that I'm a good guy too.

It was too late.

It must be karma. I had the inside track, but didn't get it. Must be because it wasn't meant to be mine. It was meant to be yours. Keep it and enjoy it.... Forward and onward to the next coin. Oneday there may be a Bust dollar that you love, but Karma may dictate that I get it.

oreville · July 10, 2004 6:48AM

Condewr101: Silly you. Didn't you know that in 1885 Engraver Barber wanted E/PLURIBUS instead of E . PLURIBUS.

Just kidding. I never noticed that before.

Die crack? Odd? Looks even cooler to me! But am curious as to what it is.

Also Stuart, any degree of off center strking?

1885-CC ANACS MS-64 DMPL Morgan - New Cameo Effect Photos!!!

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