Is this IHC red or red/brown? And guess grade ***GRADE REVEALED

cohodk

What do you think RED or RED/BROWN? Also guessing from only an obverse pic, how would you grade it? Thanks

ddbird

Def. Red... The "x" that is

mgoodm3

No can see.

cohodk

Well that suks. I can see it on my screen. I'll try again.

mgoodm3

I believe that some of the services that require you to sign on won't let you link to them for other peple to see unless they too are signed on.

cohodk

Can you see it now?

XpipedreamR

63RB


Maybe AU58; can't tell what's happening on the cheek.

mgoodm3

We have picture. I would probably say RB but tough to tell sometimes. Mostly red obv. Proof? 63?

JrGMan2004

From what I've seen, I think they will call that RB, but I'm not entirely sure, because of the differences in some of the metal content for IHCs...

ziggy29

Assuming the coloring on cheek is just browning of the cheek and not a sign of wear, I'd probably call it 62RB, mostly because of the scratch below the "U" in UNITED and the apparent hit in the left obverse field to the left of, and between, Liberty's eye and nose. Maybe 63, but I'd go no higher based on what I already noted.

If the cheek shows a break in luster, definitely AU-58.

cohodk

ziggy,

you are right about the hit in front of the nose but the scratch is just a break in the toning.

Lakesammman

1877's get the benefit of the doubt with the services - I'd guess P64RB.

Shamika

It's boarderline RED, RED/BRN.

The grade looks 64. Might be 65.

shylock

I wouldn't be surprised if was graded 64RD, they really do give these the benefit of the doubt (example)

ziggy29

<< <i>I wouldn't be surprised if was graded 64RD, they really do give these the benefit of the doubt (example) >>



It wouldn't surprise me, either. But the question was, how would *I* grade it -- not how the grading service may cut it more slack for being a '77.

I wouldn't give it special treatment, and depending on how the marks on the obverse look in person, might go with 63RB. Mostly red, and actually more red than some I've seen with the RD designation, but there is some browning of the fields, so by definition it's RB.

The more I look at it near the date, the more I think could be a proof even if the fields appear subdued elsewhere. If the lower portion of the "N" in "ONE" on the reverse is bold, it's almost certainly a proof (assuming it's authentic, and it appears to be).

HurriKane

RB. Is that a scratch next to the "U" in United States?

cohodk

HurriKane,

There is no scratch. It is just a break in the toning.

Just for further clarification this is a business strike. The photo does make it look like a proof though.

It is interesting to see how those collectors who are very familiar with the series and grading services have graded so far. I think it is through them that we all learn.

I will post the grade assigned later tonight.

poorguy

MS64-65 RB all day

Numismanic

MS64RD

291fifth

MS62 RB

LanLord

I'd say it would fit well in my hand regardless of designation

kamehameha00

MS-63RB?

Tassa

MS64RB

tjkillian

MS-64RB. A nice coin.

Tom

dorkkarl

if the color is as it looks on my screen, i'd bag it!

K S

shylock

You need to bag that old wind-up monitor you're using Karl

I was under the impression you wanted us to guess what the holder said, and as Lake's alluded to the services are all over the place with 1877's. As with 1909-S's, they're forgiving of weak feathertips since virtually none were struck full. And they allow for a lot more brown on red graded coins compared to other dates, especially if it's woodgrain and not toning. What I like about your coin is the brown doesn't appear to be woodgrain in the planchet, just natural mellowing. Nice strike too.

cohodk

As you can see it is in a 64 RED holder. The reverse is most definately full red. Overall I think the coin gets the RED designation because of this.

Congrats to Shylock, who most accurately agreed with the PCGS graders. Also as he noted the strike is very strong.

Compared to the link that Shylock provided, you can see that not all coins with the same grade are created equal.

I think the red-red/brown designation oftentimes can be very confusing. I will post two more semi-key IHC's for your consideration.

Also congrats to Numismanic.

291fifth

I'm guessing that, if offered to major dealers as MS64RED, the coin would be a very difficult sell. The reverse is nice but the obverse isn't.

mgoodm3

In defense of all the RB guesses out there, the picture is shot at an angle with reflected light off of it. The discoloration on the obv can be seen on RD and RB coins similarly. would need to see a straight on shot to really get a good feel for the true color.

Nice coin, good strike (makes it look more like a proof).

ziggy29

This is why those "grade the coin without seeing the reverse" posts are dangerous!

I still believe that the obverse is MS-63 at best with that big hit in front of the nose.

And this last shot makes the obverse look a little more red than before, though I'm not sure it 's 100% red. The obverse is arguably MS-63RD -- but with that big hit, I can't see more than 63 for the obverse.

But that reverse -- which was withheld from us -- looks 65RD in this picture, IMO. That's a really nice reverse. Sweet! And yes, the shallow 'N' gives credence to thinking it's mint state and not proof.

And to think I was doing the happy dance this afternoon when the NGC XF-40 1877 I won in auction arrived in the mail today, and I was shaking like a leaf as I held the slab in my hands...I'm not worthy!

shylock

I had a feeling I knew where you were going with this Cohodk, and that's all I really guessed right about. It shows how some dates inevitably get graded against themselves rather than general standards, and how ridiculous it is to grade a coin based only on the obverse. Anyone in their right mind would have guessed RB based on the obverse image. The reverse is as pure mint red as you'll ever see on an 1877 and obviously helped the color designation and overall grade. I also think the unusual lack of woodgrain and nice strike swayed the graders more than it would on other issues. Interesting post.

tradedollarnut

I'm guessing that, if offered to major dealers as MS64RED, the coin would be a very difficult sell. The reverse is nice but the obverse isn't.

I'm thinking that the first dealer offered the coin at a reasonable price couldn't write the check fast enough.... and there'd be three more right behind him hoping he passed!

cohodk

I'm guessing that, if offered to major dealers as MS64RED, the coin would be a very difficult sell. The reverse is nice but the obverse isn't.

Well I hope that isnt the case in Pittsburgh.

cohodk

Ziggy,

You should be very proud to own that Xf. I think circulated coins have more character that unc pieces. Think of all those kids who used it to buy a piece of candy. If you only knew at the time how much it would be worth.

Shamika

<< <i>In defense of all the RB guesses out there, the picture is shot at an angle with reflected light off of it. >>



Don't forget, we weren't originally shown an image of the reverse either.

cohodk

Sorry guys, I wasnt trying to mislead by showing the coin at an angle. I was just trying to bring out all the red and in the process I brought out the darker colors also.

Lakesammman

No need to apologize - it's hard to grade pictures! One of the toughest designations is the 90% RB vs red IHC's. I have a few that I still can't figure out why they are in RB holders, inspite of having them "in hand".