For the Henderson collectors, a nice 3 card uncut strip of the 1980T RC sold for $406 tonite on the Toppsvault auction. I had it on watch but went for more than I wanted to pay. If I were a Ricky collector, I would have surely bid on this item.
I really wonder how much "uncut stuff topps has....so what is the diff between UD running the press again on 89 UD in 1990 and topps cutting up some old stock to add to the market? I wonder if they have anymore 80 topps stuff sitting around...or maybe some 70 topps...or maybe 60.........
They have greed in their eyes and so far no one thinks these auctions are bad...so far.....
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JS If you are implying that Topps could have 'multiples' of this stuff and hyping rarity - I was wondering the same thing. I have purchased some 3 card strips along with pen and ink cartoon art - would hate to see the exact same item come up next year! Personally, I think they would have too much at stake and this is a small picture in their corporate scheme to pull that kind of crap IMO. Mike
i'm a big Rickey collector.. but believe it or not, that 3 card strip really doesn't appeal to me a whole lot.. definitely not for $406.. although the strip is probably more rare (probably), i'd rather have a couple of PSA 9's for that price..
You guys bring up some very valid concerns. Some of the stuff sold by Toppsvault are quite incredible and they have turned out to be nice revnue generaters for Topps. In particular, I remember the 1977 Topps test Reggie Jackson w/ Orioles. For the longest time we thought there were only two existing examples and in 2004 another one shows up on ebay and sells for a very strong price.
Also interesting are the countless uncut sheets that we have seen on ebay and at auction. There has been some pretty amazing sheets including the many uncut non-sport sheets in the last Mastro auction. I wonder how much surplus is really in their warehouse. There could still be sheets and proofs from the 60s and many of the super rare test cards fromt eh 60s and 70s laying around.
There really is nothing to prevent Topps from going back to recreate some of the rarities that they have been selling. Hopefully that is not the case.
Sort of pertinent...CON40 and mikeschmidt both provided good clarification on proofs (many of which you'll find sold by the Topps Vault):
It's nice stuff indeed... but not as high-end or as desirable as you might think in the case of the Palmer and the 68 Ryan proof on ebay right now... those cards are not proof cards, but printer's proofs. These are produced from negative film onto acetate which is adhered to a photo paper like stock. They are used as a measure of accuracy during the printing process. My guess is Topps trimmed these out of full sheet size printer's proofs and is offering them for sale indivdually over time. If you were to hold one, you wouldn't see ink on paper. It would look like a photo of a card. I am not saying these have no value, but proof cards printed with ink on paper stock would be much more desirable and attractive.
What is a test issue? Test issues were released in limited areas of the country to determine collector interest in a new card issue. Test issues were also printed in limited quantities.
What is a progressive proof? Proofs made from separate plates in process work, usually during a press proof, showing the sequence of printing and the result after each additional color has been applied. Can be used most effectively to determine if any problems exist and can be used on a basis for corrections or future reprinting.
What is a color correction proof sheet? In graphic arts, a colored material, substrate or dye used to simulate the subtractive printing primaries of cyan, magenta and yellow and also includes black as well as the other colors. The colorants used in these proof materials should render process colors with no apparent hue error. When the proof colors are combined in registration they will show the approximate printing values, colors and hues of how an original will look when printed or compared to how the original looked
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press again on 89 UD in 1990 and topps cutting up some old stock to add to the market? I
wonder if they have anymore 80 topps stuff sitting around...or maybe some 70 topps...or
maybe 60.........
They have greed in their eyes and so far no one thinks these auctions are bad...so far.....
JS
<< <i>wonder if they have anymore 80 topps stuff sitting around...or maybe some 70 topps...or >>
JS
If you are implying that Topps could have 'multiples' of this stuff and hyping rarity - I was wondering the same thing. I have purchased some 3 card strips along with pen and ink cartoon art - would hate to see the exact same item come up next year! Personally, I think they would have too much at stake and this is a small picture in their corporate scheme to pull that kind of crap IMO.
Mike
Also interesting are the countless uncut sheets that we have seen on ebay and at auction. There has been some pretty amazing sheets including the many uncut non-sport sheets in the last Mastro auction. I wonder how much surplus is really in their warehouse. There could still be sheets and proofs from the 60s and many of the super rare test cards fromt eh 60s and 70s laying around.
There really is nothing to prevent Topps from going back to recreate some of the rarities that they have been selling. Hopefully that is not the case.
It's nice stuff indeed... but not as high-end or as desirable as you might think in the case of the Palmer and the 68 Ryan proof on ebay right now... those cards are not proof cards, but printer's proofs. These are produced from negative film onto acetate which is adhered to a photo paper like stock. They are used as a measure of accuracy during the printing process. My guess is Topps trimmed these out of full sheet size printer's proofs and is offering them for sale indivdually over time. If you were to hold one, you wouldn't see ink on paper. It would look like a photo of a card. I am not saying these have no value, but proof cards printed with ink on paper stock would be much more desirable and attractive.
What is a test issue?
Test issues were released in limited areas of the country to determine collector interest in a new card issue. Test issues were also printed in limited quantities.
What is a progressive proof?
Proofs made from separate plates in process work, usually during a press proof, showing the sequence of printing and the result after each additional color has been applied. Can be used most effectively to determine if any problems exist and can be used on a basis for corrections or future reprinting.
What is a color correction proof sheet?
In graphic arts, a colored material, substrate or dye used to simulate the subtractive printing primaries of cyan, magenta and yellow and also includes black as well as the other colors. The colorants used in these proof materials should render process colors with no apparent hue error. When the proof colors are combined in registration they will show the approximate printing values, colors and hues of how an original will look when printed or compared to how the original looked