ANACS misdesignated my coin... what recourse do I have?

Proof69Eagles

I sent a 1943-P DDO in for authentication and grading to ANACS. The coin is definitely a DDO and they did not designate is as such. If I can see it clearly and others who have looked at it see it, how did they miss the obvious.

What troubles me most is the coin is worth maybe $30 without the DDO designation, and about $300+ with it, and I paid more than $30 for it, so you can see why I am a little upset about it.

Will I have to pay again to get it designated correctly or will they let me send it back in for re-grade at no cost??? Anyone know?? I just wanted to get some tips and ideas on how to handle this situation before I contact ANACS.

Thanks.

wjd283

I'm pretty sure you have to either :

Pay them $6 for research attribution for them to determine if it's DDO OR
Pay them $1 and tell them that it's DDO.

wjd283

In order for them to mark it on the holder.

mrdq

Are you sure it's a Doubled Die and not a Double Die?

Check out this thread for some great sites on different "double die" attributions.

If it's machine doubling I don't think anyone would recognize that on a slab. The second link from the above thread gets to the heart of the issue.

JrGMan2004

<< <i>I'm pretty sure you have to either :

Pay them $6 for research attribution for them to determine if it's DDO OR
Pay them $1 and tell them that it's DDO. >>

Yeah, did you note on the invoicee that it was a DD? You also gotta give them the $1 to verify it, unless it's like a major variety, I believe...

CoinHunter2003

The boys are right. I pay 6.00 each Morgan for varification & attributes.

dbldie55

Almost every ANACS coin I have has the wrong designation. The only ones that are correct are the ones I sent in telling them what variety they were.

wallstreetman

<< <i>Almost every ANACS coin I have has the wrong designation. The only ones that are correct are the ones I sent in telling them what variety they were. >>



That sounds about right!

Rampage

<< <i>Almost every ANACS coin I have has the wrong designation. The only ones that are correct are the ones I sent in telling them what variety they were. >>



I must be lucky then. Every ANACS coin I have by them are correctly arrtributed.

Proof69Eagles

Well, part of the problem too, and I just checked my submission copy, is that I paid the $6 attribution fee and listed it on the submission form to have it verified. The coin is definitely DDO, otherwise I would not waste the money to have it verified. I have never had any problems with ANACS other than this one coin. I am not trying to say they are messed up, and they are one of the best out there I believe. A little conservative, but they usually do a great job attributing.

I am just wondering if anyone knows if I will have to pay again to have it correctly designated or will they just let me send it back in for another look to correct it. The expense to send it back is bad enough, much less having to pay again for what I already paid for. I am sure you guys understand where I am coming from.

kranky

Since you paid the fee, I'm sure they will correct it free. Should only take one phone call to straighten it out.

koynekwest

Do NOT let them put a simple "Doubled Die Obverse" on the slab. They've done this too much in the past with every major and minor doubled die and it's confusing and unfair to both buyers and sellers when the time comes to sell. It also messes up the pop report numbers.
Either do your own research by buying or borrowing one of the reference books on the subject or pay them to do the research. At latest count, there were 33 different doubled dies listed for the 1943 quarter. You sound like you think yours may be 11-O-I (the Red Book variety.) If so, be sure to have them list that die number along with the FS # 016.7. Or, if it's 5-O-I, it's worth far less and the number would be FS 016.5.
Ever think of using SEGS? In my experience, they're every bit as good as ANACS and the slab and customer service are far superior, too.

Wolf359

Check your invoice when it comes back. They'll have a note as to the problem if it's not the variety you think it is. And yes, if they checked for the variety, they are about 99.5% accurate.

Wolf359

Almost every ANACS coin I have has the wrong designation. The only ones that are correct are the ones I sent in telling them what variety they were.

I assume that post was in jest.

coinkat

ANACS may have certain issues, but identifying DDO Jeffersons is not one of them. Send it back to them and explain to them that You think they missed it. This happens, and even though it is upsetting, mistakes happen.

alergar

Send it to PCGS !!!

wjd283

Since you paid the $6 I'm pretty sure they'll correct it.I'd call them first to see what they say.

airplanenut

<< <i>Send it to PCGS !!! >>

They won't note it

lathmach

If you want it attributed correctly, send it to SEGS.

Ray

Rampage

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<< <i>Almost every ANACS coin I have has the wrong designation. The only ones that are correct are the ones I sent in telling them what variety they were. >>



That sounds about right! >>

Artist

Hello -

Are you talking about a 1943 DDO nickel or steel cent? The reason I ask is because just the other night I was looking at my 1943-P steel cent, and I noticed that the date is clearly doubled. Is this what you have? If not, do you or any other DD experts reading this thread know where I could see if this is an already known variety?

Thanks in advance to you and to all -

Artist

Rampage

<< <i>Hello -

Are you talking about a 1943 DDO nickel or steel cent? The reason I ask is because just the other night I was looking at my 1943-P steel cent, and I noticed that the date is clearly doubled. Is this what you have? If not, do you or any other DD experts reading this thread know where I could see if this is an already known variety?

Thanks in advance to you and to all -

Artist >>



Check the Cherrypicker's guide. Also, iot would help to have pictures because there may be several DDs for a single date/mm. Also, yoiu might want to check to see if it is simple machine doubling and not an actual DD.

vega1

Personally, I can't believe anyone would seriously even suggest that SEGS should be used over ANACS. Just my opinion though.

I have had quite a bit of experience with ANACS and I'm sure if the coin is mis/not attributed correctly a phone call will take care of the problem. I have always found them to be stand up guys.

Rampage

I forgot to say....Yes, ANACS WILL indeed take care of the problem.

koynekwest

Vega1-everyone is, of course, entitled to an opinon. Nor is this a SEGS (or, for that matter, an ANACS) discussion board. I don't know what experiences you've had on which you base your comment-I'll enumerate mine as follows, and I'll be as OBJECTIVE as I can. To all concerned-and to avoid the lawsuits that seem to be so prevalent lately, let me restate-this is ONLY MY OPINION.

ANACS-
I used ANACS for a period of 8 years-from 1991 until 1999-to the tune of literally hundreds of coins, both for my own stuff and for numerous Teletrade auctions. I found their grading to be on the liberal side most of the time; sometiimes very much so (IMO.) On a few occasions attribution was wrong or lacking (Not the requested variety was a common one-and the one that started this thread. THEIR error, not mine (IMO) and I'm sure their volume of submissions plays a part in this. I've been dealing with EV stuff for 15+ years-I can usually correctly attribute my own stuff.) Their product is cheap-not even close to airtight and there's absolutely no improvement or innovation that has been done to it except for a slight enlarging of the slab to supposedly improve this lack of airtightness(IMO.) Turn around time took 2 to 3 months for the economy service. Reasonable cost.
An acceptable grading service, better than some-I do think they try and they certainly do not deserve to be rated with some of the less reputable outfits out there. I do wish they'd improve their slab.

NGC-
One VERY bad experience with variety attribution and their "expert" variety attributor (IMO.) Improper attribution and non attribution (IMO) cost me considerable money in a Teletrade auction. Not that Teletrade was of any help, either (IMO.) Expensive. Never again.

SEGS-
Based on literally hundreds of submissions from 1999 to the present. A very high quality slab and MUCH better customer service than the former two (IMO.) Grading generally a bit more conservative (and correct, IMO) than ANACS. Attribution has been off on rare occasions (IMO) and occasional problems have been missed; at other times the coin was stated to have been "cleaned" when it was not (IMO.) Sometimes too much non-applicable verbage on the slab. SEGS needs some competent help in addition to Larry. Turn around time varies but is usually reasonable. Cost comparable with ANACS. Top labeled slab is a real plus.
My preferred slabbing company, by far, for variety coins.

I certainly hope I don't start any political discussions with my Conservative and Liberal terms. We have enough of those here already (IMO.)

Proof69Eagles

DIdn't realize that I did not say that the coin in reference is a Jefferson Nickel. Sorry about that. Think it would help more, if I would have stated that.

DOH!!