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Ebay scam on NGC64 Hi Relief Saint???

roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Check out auction 3919621522 for tduddles. This seller has 33 feedbacks (100% positive) but for all items in the $1-100, none of them coins. Now they offer an expensive Hi Relief NGC64 that has a professional catalogued photo on a PCGS 64 saint. The set up looks like what Goldberg's or Superior like to use.

I mailed the seller and asked for futher information, and in particular why the wrong photo was presented. It's not like we all have multiple Hi Reliefs in our collections, esp. when the seller never bought or sold a coin on ebay before.

The reply with grammar of a 9 year old:

___________________________________

"I'm so sorry, but i wrong the coin picture, so i have attached the actual coin picture in the email. This coin is from my grandfather, now him is death and i have a medical problem and i need the money, this is the reason why i selling now. This coin have a big sentimental value for me and I'm ready sorry coz i decided to sell it, but i really need the money.

P.S. You can see the reference number on the picture, just zoom in.

Kind regards

_______________________


Sure enough, they sent me a photo of an NGC64 Saint with the same pro setup from the same catalog as the PCGS coin. I sent another email to the seller requesting more information. Boy this sure seems awful "ODD" on the surface.

roadrunner
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3919621522

    That auction screams scam.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    smells like TUNA to me !
    all of a sudden that pcgs saint is an ngc saint ?
    Escrow transaction all the way.
    is it worth that much ?

    Proof
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the link Russ. Hey, who says Modern guys can mix with Classic Collectors??image

    I was trying to see if I could find the PCGS coin in a recent catalog but no luck. The cert # on the NGC coin they sent a separate photo to me of was # 1667710-002. Nice coin too. But I doubt they own it. Bidding is pretty lively on this one with over 35 bids. And no reserve either to protect this $20,000 coin...that is really odd! Doesn't that scream scam once again?!!

    roadrunner
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    Wow. Sure looks like a scam.

    FYI

    There will be two high reliefs in 64 in the ANR pre ANA sale. One in Proof and one in Mint State.

    Nice ones too.

    Rgrds
    Tomimage

    Coin's for sale/trade.


    Tom Pilitowski
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  • dimeadzndimeadzn Posts: 123 ✭✭
    Cert number in auction is for this coin:

    go antiques
    Hamsters oy! Why collect they the taco.
  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    should this not be a felony ?
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  • dimeadzndimeadzn Posts: 123 ✭✭
    I forgot to add that if you look closely at the slab in the auction, you can see it's photoshopped. The barcode extends down too far into the slab. He's pasted the picture of the NGC coin onto a PCGS slab.
    Hamsters oy! Why collect they the taco.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very good research, I'm impressed with you guys. Yowser! It's possible tduddles could have bought the saint and is now reselling it on ebay. If they paid the $17,500 from Stanford Coin and Bullion it's probably worth several thousand more now.

    roadrunner
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup, that's the same photo that tuddles sent me privately, the NGC64 photo from Stanford. I wonder why they just didn't post that one instead of posting a PCGS coin photo? Are they running so many scams they cannot keep track of them??

    roadrunner
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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    grandpa death and health problems and blah blah blah !
    would seem that the seller does not own or even possess said coin !
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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I had noticed that Ebay lsiting, too and have it on my watch list so that I can warn the "winning" bidder.
  • SequiturSequitur Posts: 1,195
    The barcode extends down too far into the slab.

    Sure does - and doesn't the slab say MS65?

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  • RELLARELLA Posts: 961 ✭✭✭
    Standford's material seems to be a popular target of this type of scammer; possibly because their offerings on the "go antiques" site are not as well known as those at other online venues. I've contacted them in the past regarding similar scams with high-grade seated material on eBay.

    RELLA
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    who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
    while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
    twenty times.
  • dimeadzndimeadzn Posts: 123 ✭✭
    Rella-
    You're right! I remember talking about something similar a few months back. It was smart of him to have this auction end on a holiday weekend. Less chance of someone contacting the owner that way.

    Mark-
    I'm glad you'll be contacting the high bidder. If only there were some way to get these thieves arrested. I wonder how many decent people have actually lost money this way. image
    Hamsters oy! Why collect they the taco.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was already out bid on this one so I contacted the new high bidder.
    I can afford a neg on my record. image

    Nice catch on the PCGS 65. The coin being offered is an NGC64 and they have a picture of that if you request to see itimage

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Not to diminish the sliminess of a scam such as this.... but I still don't understand the mentality of someone willing to bid multiple thousands of dollars on an ebay coin without knowing the seller, seeing the coin, or even having the proper picture on it..... freakin' weird.... image
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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They list the NGC number in the description. Perhaps they put the PCGS image in so it would not be discovered that it was a stolen image. 1 day listing so you cannot track down all the details (although you guys were quick on this one)
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The high bidder just retracted.image

    Why should anyone be afraid to bid with this seller...they have 100% feedback buying trinkets, toys, and glassware on ebay.
    Hey, I'd trust them watching my briefcase of coins at a show!

    roadrunner
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    It's gone from ebay.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406
    Invalid item.No longer in database.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if the seller also got NARU'd. Anybody have his handle?

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • dimeadzndimeadzn Posts: 123 ✭✭
    It's tduddles.

    Not Naru'ed yet.
    Hamsters oy! Why collect they the taco.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I requested to Mr. Tuddles to retract the auction or I was going to forward the information to ebay concerning their tactics. Guess they decided to bail on this one. I saved myself a neg too.image

    roadrunner
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    He is now! Another excellent conclusion.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Guess they decided to bail on this one. >>



    Only eBay can remove the item from the database. All the seller can do is cancel, but the listing would still be there.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thanks to dimeadzn and guys for finding out the dirt on this one.
    very impressive.

    Well, there goes my dreams of getting a hi relief in choice unc for under $10,000image

    roadrunner
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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    REally sorry abote coin. Mistake is not mine. Grandpa is mistake. No coin is now coz people meddle in scam. Have more think in garage. Privately call me I look. Cash send is good.

    Have fun in collection rare coins. I know nothing.

    Backfeed or upchuck if get coin not happy.


    Thank much

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Topstuff, me send yuo con as soon as yuze send coz muny to me.
    You vry funy person. image

    Ebay sent me a notice that duddles account was hijacked and it is now frozen while ebay investigates. that would seem to make sense why the mom and pop shop account that was selling and buying inexpensive items moved into the big time with a $20,000 hi relief saint. Me wanna buy one two coz I luv dem.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • wjd283wjd283 Posts: 1,406
    Musta been one of Yodas auctions.


    You from me by coin,yes?
  • UncleWigglyUncleWiggly Posts: 2,467
    You guys are good. Has anybody ever counted the number of miss represented coins that are caught per day, week, by members of PCGS forums? Thers's money in what some of you are doing you know!!
    If I saw an icon in the description to click on that would send the item nr to some of you and get a critique back, even if I already bid, I'd pay a $5 fee for it if it drew any suspicion.. Just a $ thought.


    Jerry
  • dollardudedollardude Posts: 1,263
    Ditto to all the kudos to you guys for figuring this thing out. UncleWiggly made a good point. There ought to be some sort of protection mechanism. Maybe eBay already has a way of reporting suspect auctions, deleting listings, etc., but there ought to be some additional level of protection.
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  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭


    << <i>No coin is now coz people meddle in scam >>


    Hey, I like that comment from him.
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like the virtual Coin Posse is already functioning well and policing the cyber waves imageimage

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    Pretty cool !
    getting a scum bag scammer NARUED in 4 hrs on a holiday weekend !
    Good Job !

    Proof
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  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    Maybe the more appropriate question is why are we all on here on a holiday weekend in the first place???

    Anyway, I'm glad all of you caught this one. I don't buy much off of ebay, but look often. If I found a bargin, I might bite. Glad to see the forum members covering everyone's back.

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