ANA/Ebay's new code of conduct. :D
DHeath
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I'm delighted. 
Excerpts below.
"Sellers are encouraged to abide by these guidelines when selling items on eBay. Failure to do so could result in disciplinary action by eBay and possible suspension or loss of selling privileges. In addition, such failure may be grounds for further disciplinary action by the ANA against its members. "
"Code of Conduct
• Sellers agree not to knowingly sell, exhibit, trade, produce, or advertise a copy, restrike, or reproduction of any numismatic item if its nature is not clearly indicated by the word "copy," "restrike," or "reproduction," incused in the metal or printed on the paper thereof. These items are allowed to be sold provided:
1) their sale does not violate applicable laws or copyrights,
2) the item is incused in the metal or printed on the paper thereof as a copy, restrike, or reproduction on the front or back, and
3) the listing clearly states that the item is a copy, restrike, or reproduction and includes an image of the marking.
• Sellers agree to represent a numismatic item to be genuine only when it is authentic to the best of their knowledge and belief. Learn more about authentication and see a list of authentication and grading services. Additional information is available about consumer protection at the ANA.
• Sellers agree not to knowingly handle or resell forgeries, unmarked copies, altered coins, or other spurious numismatic merchandise that is not clearly labeled as such.
• Sellers agree not to knowingly participate in any way in the advertisement, sale or trade of any numismatic material using any deceptive practices including, but not limited to, false or misleading claims of sales scarcity, value, condition or investment potential.
• Sellers agree to sell numismatic items that they own free and clear of any challenge or those that they are authorized by the owner to sell.
• Sellers agree not to knowingly sell or buy counterfeit numismatic material.
• Sellers agree to promptly refund the purchase price for any item that has been deemed by the ANA as other than as offered or described by the seller.
• Sellers agree to abide by all laws relating to numismatic matters. "
I particularly like the fact they've added teeth by virtue of a refund if not as described. I expect the descriptions will soon become far more vague.
Excerpts below."Sellers are encouraged to abide by these guidelines when selling items on eBay. Failure to do so could result in disciplinary action by eBay and possible suspension or loss of selling privileges. In addition, such failure may be grounds for further disciplinary action by the ANA against its members. "
"Code of Conduct
• Sellers agree not to knowingly sell, exhibit, trade, produce, or advertise a copy, restrike, or reproduction of any numismatic item if its nature is not clearly indicated by the word "copy," "restrike," or "reproduction," incused in the metal or printed on the paper thereof. These items are allowed to be sold provided:
1) their sale does not violate applicable laws or copyrights,
2) the item is incused in the metal or printed on the paper thereof as a copy, restrike, or reproduction on the front or back, and
3) the listing clearly states that the item is a copy, restrike, or reproduction and includes an image of the marking.
• Sellers agree to represent a numismatic item to be genuine only when it is authentic to the best of their knowledge and belief. Learn more about authentication and see a list of authentication and grading services. Additional information is available about consumer protection at the ANA.
• Sellers agree not to knowingly handle or resell forgeries, unmarked copies, altered coins, or other spurious numismatic merchandise that is not clearly labeled as such.
• Sellers agree not to knowingly participate in any way in the advertisement, sale or trade of any numismatic material using any deceptive practices including, but not limited to, false or misleading claims of sales scarcity, value, condition or investment potential.
• Sellers agree to sell numismatic items that they own free and clear of any challenge or those that they are authorized by the owner to sell.
• Sellers agree not to knowingly sell or buy counterfeit numismatic material.
• Sellers agree to promptly refund the purchase price for any item that has been deemed by the ANA as other than as offered or described by the seller.
• Sellers agree to abide by all laws relating to numismatic matters. "
I particularly like the fact they've added teeth by virtue of a refund if not as described. I expect the descriptions will soon become far more vague.
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JMHO, what would really be effective is if eBay just started to NARU sellers who violate the rules without giving any due process. you know what i mean, if it walks like a duck..................
al h.
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including, but not limited to, false or misleading claims of sales scarcity, value, condition or investment potential.
Sellers agree to promptly refund the purchase price for any item that has been deemed by the ANA as other than as offered or described by the seller.
failure may be grounds for further disciplinary action by the ANA against its members.
I expect most good sellers will now advertise using their ANA numbers.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Is there a email address to report complaints. Is the ANA going to have a staff member oversee Ebay Auctions? Will Ebay work with the ANA to close down a source of profit for itself? What if the seller has great feedback but it's all from unsuspecting newbies?
Rules and regs are great, but without enforcement, they are useless.
Michael
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I have no particular axe to grind, it's just that the same problems facing the industry and hobby that were rampant 25 years ago are still the same problems not being addressed now. In other words, they've had 25 years to justify their existence and the grading services stepped up and took it upon themselves to give the hobby some hint of respectibility while the ANA sat there glad handing many of the crappy dealers responsible for giving it a black eye in the first place.
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<< <i>Keep dreamin' .......... eBay has ZILCH for enforcement capabilities >>
They have one, if the buyer does not receive a refund it is POSSIBLE (but not likely) that eBay could debit the sellers credit card for the refund and send it to the buyer. Of course the buyer would either have to be able to prove the coin was returned (Or they would have to have it set up that it is returned via the Ebay refund system, ie sent to ebay they refund and return the item to the seller.) The seller can't complain or chargeback ebay because by posting the sale they have agreed to the refund policy.
• Sellers agree to promptly refund the purchase price for any item that has been deemed by the ANA as other than as offered or described by the seller.
This would seem to indicate that the ANA is going to have to set up an office of Ebay Authentication Czar. I would envision it being set up into two parts, one where you can enter the auction number and it will compare it to a database to see if a decision has already been rendered on that auction or is pending. (To keep them from having to answer the same question about the same auction over and over again.) If it is "Pending" it should allow you to enter your email address so you will be notified of the Czars decision. If the auction is not found in the data base it would then take the auction number, your comment about it, and your email address and forward it to the Czar. When the decision is posted you would receive an email with the decision. For auctions where the Czar decides the coin is other than as described an email will also be sent to eBay who should have an agreement with the ANA to pull auctions that the Czar rules against. This pulling of the auction should be set up as automatic so that you don't have to wait for eBay to decide to act. Fraudulent auction is posted, someone complains to the Czar, Czar agrees and auction is automaticly pulled. This allows for the quickest action which can be important in the case of short auctions or ones noticed close to their closing times.
When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
Thomas Paine
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor