Unique Dollar???

EVillageProwler · June 30, 2004 1:48PM

cool rotated double strike!

Placid · June 30, 2004 1:56PM

All coins are unique.

TonedCoinTrader · June 30, 2004 1:56PM

WoWzErS!!!!

Nice

numobri · June 30, 2004 3:35PM

I've seen a Bust Dollar like that,just not rotated as much.

lordmarcovan · June 30, 2004 4:12PM

Whoa. Major cool!

oldcameoproofsguy · June 30, 2004 4:16PM

Wow! That was rotated a lot. Cool find.

coppercoins · June 30, 2004 8:20PM

Somewhere I remember reading something about similar coins that were fakes. You might want to check in on that.

The coin isn't a rotated double struck, the field in the second strike would obliterate the first strike, and you would be able to see a lot happening on other areas of the obverse and reverse...the entire coin IS struck at the same time - both times. If this coin is genuine, it is a doubled die, not double struck.

kenoshapete · June 30, 2004 9:08PM

Wow. A very shagadelic coin! Wish it was mine!

lathmach · June 30, 2004 9:53PM

Jade,
This would make for an excellent Gobrecht Journal article. If you are a member of the LSCC, please do it.

Ray

goose3 · June 30, 2004 10:02PM

I just emailed this to Dick Osburn. I've tried to get him to join here a couple of times. Maybe this will lure him in!

mr1931S · June 30, 2004 10:27PM

I concur with C.D. on this one.

MFH · June 30, 2004 11:16PM

One of the nicest finds this year. Really neat . Congratulations !

kranky · June 30, 2004 11:56PM

I think it's authentic (rotated double struck).

goose3 · July 1, 2004 12:09AM

where'd you get that Coin, Jade???

mgoodm3 · July 1, 2004 1:10AM

Very cool. hope it's real.

Conder101 · July 1, 2004 3:37AM

No, C D is wrong on this one. If it is genuine it is double struck.

Yes, the fields of the second strike usually wipe out the details from the first strike, but frequently they do not completely wipe them out. And most of the first strike details have been wiped out in the fields.

I would have to reject the doubled die possibility because if that was the case you would have to have a massive displacement between the hubbings on both obverse and reverse dies, by the same amount, and in the same direction.

homerunhall · July 1, 2004 3:57AM

Now that's a cool coin!

HRH

JrGMan2004 · July 1, 2004 3:59AM

Cool find Dennis!

coppercoins · July 1, 2004 4:20AM

Actually I didn't study the photos well enough the first time. I agree with Conder in assessing my first post as incorrect for the reason he stated. When I looked at the photos the first time I though for some reason that all the doubling was on one side. Given that it's on both sides, it would have to be a double struck coin.

morganbarber · July 1, 2004 4:26AM

Very, very cool.

EVillageProwler · July 1, 2004 7:11AM

I just emailed this to Dick Osburn.

Isn't Dick on vacation until the ANA?

EVP

goose3 · July 1, 2004 8:21AM

He must be EVP. He hasn't replied and he is usually VERY fast on emails.

JadeRareCoin · July 2, 2004 3:15AM

Hi everyone. Sorry for posting this and then just disappearing. Didn't mean to "post and run", but I have just been very busy lately. I will post some information regarding the double struck Seated Dollar soon. Thanks for all of the positive comments thus far.

Thanks, Dennis

JadeRareCoin · July 3, 2004 6:30AM

The question in the title of this thread is a genuine question. Is this Double Struck Seated Dollar unique? In other words, are there other double struck Seated Dollars known? Through our research, we have not been able to locate a Double Struck Seated Dollar, although we did find a few Double Struck Pattern Dollars, and of course there are Double Struck Bust Dollars.

There have been fake or simulated Double Struck Std Dollars, but this is not one of them, in our opinion. It would not be possible to simulate such a Double Strike to the extend found in our example. We showed the coin to several prominent numismatists at the Atlanta and Mid America show (Fivaz, Briggs, Kern, Beymer, others). Most believe that it is a genuine Double Struck coin, although 2 researchers are not convinced.

We are going to submit the coin to PCGS at the Baltimore show. An update will be posted when the coin is returned to us. In the meantime, please feel free to post any relevant information.

Thanks, Dennis

boyhowdy · July 3, 2004 6:53AM

Good find!

Just out of curiosity -- does the coin maintain the 180 degree alignment?

Steve

Coinosaurus · July 3, 2004 7:03AM

If EVP thinks it is cool, it is *VERY* kewl.

He is kind of a cynic

segoja · July 3, 2004 7:14AM

I saw this coin at a local Chicago show. It's a pretty cool piece.

I don't claim to know anything about Seated Dollars, but the coin looked real to me.

It's a neat find!

JadeRareCoin · July 3, 2004 7:26AM

does the coin maintain the 180 degree alignment?

Steve, good question. Yes, it does maintain a 180 degree alignment. The coin was double struck in the collar, with the second strike having a major rotation. The reeding on the edge does not show double reeding, but we think that this is due to the second strike's reeding obliterating the first strike's reeding.

elwood · July 3, 2004 8:08AM

Dick Osburn is on Vacation until the ANA.

Henry Hilgaard knows a little about errors. I would respect his opinion.

EVillageProwler · July 3, 2004 2:09PM

I don't claim to be a know-it-all about this series, and I definately don't know nearly as muchas the true veterans of this industry. But, this is my fav series and I usually scrutinize each coin for interesting die diags. I have never seen a multiply-struck SD before. I'm sure that more than one specimen exists for this series, but I'm also sure that they're quite rare.

Kewl!

EVP

errormaven · July 3, 2004 2:26PM

I'm pretty sure this one is a fake. I have seen other well-executed fakes like it, in which the extra design elements are insinuated between the normal elements with little or no disturbance of the latter. How it is done, I don't know.

Here are some indicators that it's not kosher:

1. The reeding is not disturbed.
2. The denticles are not disturbed.
3. It lacks the incomplete, but sharp, penetrance of the primary image through the secondary image.

SemperFI · July 3, 2004 6:09PM

How rare is this type of error in modern coinage? Say Ike dollars and Sac Dollars.

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