Help needed with this Franklin

ksteelheader

I have always been able to determine what was wrong with my coins that got bodybagged. On this one I can't. Any help?
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Shamika

Anything goofy happening along the bell lines?

K6AZ

Beats me, looks like a run of the mill unc. 52 Frankie. Is there anything funky with the bell lines that we can't see in the image? That is the only place I've seen tooling on Franklin halves.

Crackout

I'd be looking close and hard at the bell lines>b

LucyBop

I have no clue what they are talking about....
from this image I see anyways....

dlimb2

i think they have a grader at PCGS that like to play games with peoples coins and their money.

K6AZ

Ken, what is that between the eagle and the C in AMERICA? That's the only thing I can see on this from the image, but that doesn't appear to be bad enough to warrant a bodybag.

dlimb2

To me it looks 65.

ksteelheader

There are a few minor ticks in the bell lines. Nothing else! Here is a pic. It's the best I could get...Ken
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ksteelheader

<< <i>Ken, what is that between the eagle and the C in AMERICA? >>

It's a reeding mark!

dlimb2

The grader needs a new pair of glasses....MS65FBL all day long and into next life.

K6AZ

Ken, if you have a high power loupe, check out this part of the upper bell line. From the image, this area looks suspicious.

ksteelheader

Eric, there is the finest scratch across there as well as what looks to be the beginning of some toning. That's about all I can see.

I may take this along to Pittsburgh and see if PCGS can tell me what they saw, or see!....Ken

K6AZ

Well, if that area checks out, about all I can tell you is they must have got to your coin at 5 o'clock on Friday afternoon. I would send it back on your next submission, you know what happened to Russ. Is the 52 one of the big ones for FBLs?

ksteelheader

It's not a pricey coin, but I had it pegged 65FBL with a shot at 66....Ken

K6AZ

I would send it in with your next submission. Usually, tooling jobs on the bell lines are pretty crude. If it comes back a second time with the same NG reason, then you know there really is a problem.

darktone

Did you check the rim for something there? mike

ksteelheader

I could not find anything wrong with the rim either. This really baffles me....Ken

darktone

I see it now- there appears to be some grafitti in the wooden thingy that holds the bell. mike

Russ

PCGS bodybagged a 1962 proof Frankie of mine for environmental damage. I saw nothing wrong with it, so I turned right around and sent it in on my next submission. It graded.

Russ, NCNE

ksteelheader

Russ, that may really be the thing to do, that is to resubmit. I was going on the presumption that they might be right...

Shamika

<< <i> I see it now- there appears to be some grafitti in the wooden thingy that holds the bell. mike >>


Does it say "THE BRITISH CAN BLOW ME!"?

darktone

<< <i>Does it say "THE BRITISH CAN BLOW ME!"? >>

I am not kidding the X on the right side is as plain as day once you see it and the writing on the left side becomes pretty apparent as well. mike

JadeRareCoin

"damage or tooling" is a catch all description that they will use for various types of problems. Is there something damaged on the 3rd side of the coin? If not, then it looks good to me.

airplanenut

Ken, maybe it's their way of telling you to stop submitting ugly coins... they just saw it and said "to hell with this one!"

dlimb2

When PCGS does this, it really makes collectors want to send their coins in...think I will just get me some of those round plastic holders...and save 15 bucks/coin.

dlimb2

darktone, what are you smoken?

BigE

Rim damage above the "R" in AMERICA?------BigE

darktone

Look at the area's I have circled. mike

Shamika

Mike,

dlimb2 is right. You've gotta ditch the crack pipe. I can't see a thing.

Shamika

double post

Shamika

Ken,

I think I see it. Look between the F and D in HALF DOLLAR. That definitely appears to be tooling.

Let us know.

darktone

<< <i>dlimb2 is right. You've gotta ditch the crack pipe. I can't see a thing. >>

I know I got an old monitor but I can see writing on my end. mike

BigD5

You guys don't see the sideways M in the right circle Darktone posted? I do.

I can't make out what's in the left circle, but there sure is something there also.

Seems plain as day to me. I must be smokin' the same batch as Darktone I guess.

darktone

Thanks Darin! I was really starting to think I got a bad batch of something. mike

Shamika

Darin and Mike,

Yes, I see what you mean on the right, but I believe you are seeing breaks in luster and your eyes are visually playing "connect the dots".

I still think there's tooling between the F and D. Who knows. Maybe it's my eyes that are playing tricks.

We need Ken to help us.

darktone

I guess we need Ken to look this area over really close to see what it is. mike

OKbustchaser

Don't any of you see that GREAT BIG CRACK on the bell?

JimP

Crazy4Coins

Why can't the grading services be more specific with their reasons for claiming a coin has been tooled. Couldn't they easily state exactly what they see was done to the coin?

Randy

ksteelheader

Here is a bigger pic of the reverse....
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Shamika

Ken,

What do you see between the F and D at the bottom of the reverse?

ksteelheader

<< <i>What do you see between the F and D at the bottom of the reverse? >>

Best way I can describe it is that it's an area without any luster!...Ken

darktone

I traced over the area I am talking about- maybe this will help you see it? mike

ksteelheader

Mike, maybe the lighting when I photograped is playing with our minds. With the coin in hand, and slowly rotating side to side, there is nothing in that area.

I'm going to take the coin to the ANA show and ask PCGS what's wrong with the coin.....Ken

Manorcourtman

Ken-

My guess and I bet I'm right....."counting machine mark." That's a direct quote from my last bodybag. At least they wrote me a message on my bodybag slip. It has very faint marks near the rim. So I sent it to NGC. Got my grade from NGC today on the same PQ Walker they bagged......NGC graded it MS66. Isn't it silly that they bagged it and NGC graded it 66. The coin is very PQ but they think they saw a "counting machine mark." Whatever. Look near the rim for small, insignificant scratches. That's cause to take your money and send you a 2x2 flip with your coin and no grade........

Shamika

<< <i> Mike, maybe the lighting when I photograped is playing with our minds. >>



SOMETHING sure is playing with Mike's mind.

LedZeppelin

I think there is something strange in the field between AMERICA and the eagle.

Just another opinion.

ms70

<< <i>I'm going to take the coin to the ANA show and ask PCGS what's wrong with the coin.....Ken >>



After you do that you gotta update this thread & ttt with the results. Now I'm overly curious.

Shamika

Ditto!

Purple73

Hello,

I think its the obverse. Something looks a tad fishy in this area.

hope this works:



Here is a comparison(generally)I pulled from Fc57Coins tutorial.



PURPLE!