o-pee-chee baseball 1968-1975

zsz70 · June 28, 2004 4:06AM

Can someone help me with the REAL prices of these cards.

One guy tells me they are 80% of the topps issue.
A canadian dealer tells me the beckett says they
are 125% of the topps issue.

Who is right ?

sjeanblanc · June 28, 2004 4:12AM

For Star cards that Player Set Collectors need the prices can get out of control, if at least two guys are going after them. Once that conflict ceases to exist you will have a problem getting decent money for them.

Outside of Star cards, I think you have to find the few collectors who actually try to build OPC sets, and there aren't many of them. 67Standup, comes to mind, as he seems to be into the rare and exotic.

If you have any good Nolan Ryan's from those years, either Keith(Con40) or I would throw some decent coin at high grade examples.

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mikeschmidt · June 28, 2004 4:13AM

Much rarer - but even much less collected. Player collectors will highly demand the stars - but the commons from these years do not seem to have much of a market except in very high grade - and even then it trails that of the Topps issues.

bobsbbcards · June 28, 2004 4:17AM

Hard to say. I will go with neither one. If you plopped a complete set of raw 1974 OPC cards on the table and they were in NM condition, and you plopped a set of raw 1974 Topps cards on the table, same condition, I would gladly pay at least double if not triple for the OPC set. 1974 OPC cards are very scarce compared to the other years.

I have experience with a 1971 OPC raw set (PSA 8 and PSA 7 singles...maybe 60 graded cards, a few stars) that went for $4,100 or so. 1975 OPC would maybe bring 1.5 to 2 times. 1973 OPC about the same.

Harder to tell with the other years (since there are fewer cards in each OPC set). If you just look at high grade star singles, the OPC should go higher (much harder for the registry player collectors to obtain). I know that I would gladly pay much more for NM or better "commons" of any of those years since I might never see them again.

Just my 2 cents (1 cent Canadian).

Bob

67standup · June 28, 2004 4:20AM

I've spoken to Joe O a few times about adding a footnote regarding the relative scarcity of OPC. Don't be surprised if you see the results of these conversations in future editions of the SMR.

Most collectors - especially those in the OPC know - place a 10-20% premium on OPCs. There are many key cards that will command a super premium, e.g., 1975 Ryan PSA 9 OPC sold for $1700+.

It's hit or miss. I just sold a raw NM off-center 1974 OPC Schmidt for $8, the 2004 SCC has it listed for $65. Most are not aware that 1974 is probably the toughest or 2nd toughest OPC year.

Waseca-Collection and Charzride sell OPC high grades for high premiums. If one of the few OPC collectors – like me – needs it (or a player collector), then the asking price is realized. However, many times such listings do not receive any bids.

This was a lengthy way to not really answer your question.

...my two American cents, but .7109 in CAD (based on today's average retail exchange rate.)
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packCollector · June 28, 2004 4:21AM

Hi Marc

are we talking about raw or graded?

the true answer is , it depends. I know I will pay a premium for high grade cards that i want and need. the cards are pretty tough to find in high grade since production was low and quality control was terrible. I have paid over book for raw cards of players like yaz that I need. I have also bid well over book for graded cards and not even come close at times. Cards like bench , clemente , mays , ryan, yaz will always sell at or above the topps counterpart.

the 68 ryan rookie in psa 7 just went for 900+ but a topps will sell for 400.

I have sold a few of my 72's and 73's and every card has sold for a premium to the topps. every star card that I have bought graded , i have paid a premium to the topps. commons do not sell too much because noone is building sets

packCollector · June 28, 2004 4:25AM

67standup just made another good point, out side of the scarcity, centering will play the biggest part . o/c / miscut cards can still be found so they probably won't bring to much . If the cards are centered and high grade, the gloves come off.

bobsbbcards · June 28, 2004 4:27AM

<< <i>commons do not sell too much because noone is building sets >>

Except me (and 67Standup, and that one other guy, I forget his name).

FB · June 28, 2004 4:27AM

All in all, I've found the market for 1972 graded OPC's to be very spotty. Occasionaly, the PSA 9's will top $50 apiece. But, then the next time around - I can pick them up for $30 apiece. There is almost no market for PSA 8's at anything above $8 apiece. The last round of Browntoni auction closed on a night when Justsnipe went down and cancelled all of my auctions. The 8's that I would have bid on all closed below $10 each.

As for raw 72 OPC's. There is more interest than in the graded - but not by much... I have bought several complete 72 OPC baseball sets for around $500 apiece. If you take into account the rarity compared to Topps - these sets should be selling for well more than a Topps set in similar condition - but instead, they go for half...

Browntoni · June 28, 2004 4:44AM

I think that high grade exapmles of OPC generally sell for higher prices, in particular 1971 and 1974. I have had a lot of success purchasing raw OPC cards and grading. Many collectors mistake the rough cut as a problem. A nice 1975 OPC Schmidt os a perfect example. FB, please get a better sniping service!!

sjeanblanc · June 28, 2004 4:52AM

The problem with paying $900+ for a OPC Ryan PSA 7 is actually having it delivered to you.

So you guys are saying that if I graded my 100-150 really nice (ie no rough edges and PSA 8 or better centering) 1974 OPC Commons that there is a market for them?

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packCollector · June 28, 2004 5:00AM

probably not but i would buy the red sox

67standup · June 28, 2004 5:02AM

Who's got too much time on their hands, it's me, it's me...

* Different ways of interpreting results. Collectors don't like OPC (un-American, bad cuts, off center, therefore, less go for Registry sets, therefore, low POP.)

* Scarcity simply results in low POPs

* High grades are difficult to find, therefore, fewer submissions, less POPs. You've seen the many notations that the production of OPC is about 1-5% of Topps, POP results at least lend credence to this ratio.

Where the ratios are higher, there’s most likely been a case break. ‘67 and ‘74 are very tough, but they are also the two years with the least stars/rookie cards.

OPC collectors often clamor that cards are much undervalued, but if they weren’t, then buy prices would be high.

POP Report
1965 OPC - 311/Topps - 50,948
Mantle 19/818
Clemente 23/959
Rose 7/954
1966 - 271/34,851
Mays 12/757
Mantle 64/2215
Yaz 8/365
1967 - 66/49,411
Maris 5/354
Mantle 34/2279
1968 - 495/74,900
1969 - 326/55,876
1970 - 137/44,655
1971 - 344/53,092
1972 - 978/58,610
1973 - 646/31,879
#1 Aaron 2/409
Ryan 27/1088
1974 - 150/36,567
1975 - 522/60,837
1976 - 126/32,357
1980 - 84/19,661
Ryan 27/941

goodriddance189 · June 28, 2004 5:14AM

i bought a 77 OPC Seaver PSA 9 for $50 last year. i later bought a Topps PSA 9 for double that. i ended up selling the Topps card, because the OPC was much nicer looking

zsz70 · June 28, 2004 5:17AM

Thanks guys,

I was always under the impression that OPC cards are
70% to their Topps counterpart.

Then Chartridze tells me it's 125%

From what you all have said (THANK YOU!!!),

I see that if two guys are fighting for high grade stars, i.e. Ryan, Bench, etc.,etc.
then the skies the limit. ( I do not fall into this category).

I am thinking about building a set, therefore I would agree that you should
be able to buy raw commons in NM-MT for less than 80% of Beckett.

Chartridze was willing to sell at 80% of guide. I still thought that
was high, but I guess I was wrong.

Anyway, thanks again everyone. It really helps having your
knowledge to glean from. Also a big thank you to
Marc Shoenen for selling me a nice Schmidt rookie at a nice
price too.

marc

67standup · June 28, 2004 5:22AM

Attention to all who have worthless OPC commons:

Maybe we can help each other, as I need a few cards from each year to complete my OPC sets. You can get rid of them, make some change, and have that warm feeling that helping a fellow collector provides. Not SPAM, as I'm not offering to sell anything, just buy or trade. I need others for upgrades, but I'll just keep the list simple.

1965 - complete (in process to see what needs upgrading, but I just won the PSA 6 Rose)
1966 - 174,179 (upgrade 25 cards)
1967 - Ford, 12, 160, 187 (upgrade 14 cards)
1968 - complete (upgrade 4 cards)
1969 - complete (thanks Bob, upgrade list in process)
1970 - complete (upgrade 2 cards)
1971 - complete (upgrade 8 cards)
1972 - complete (in process regarding upgrade cards)
1973 - Ryan (sold a PSA 9, PSA 5, and a raw, now I have none...idiot.)
1974 - 112,146,166,204,208,331,333,338,472,475,477,479,597,603,605,606
1975 - complete (upgrade 1 card)
1976 - 647 (upgrade 1 card)
1980 - complete

sjeanblanc · June 28, 2004 5:31AM

Hi 67Standup,

I'll check through my 74 OPC nice pile and see if any of the ones you listed are there. If there are any hits I will email you the list with scans.

Scott Jeanblanc
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Collecting Nolan Ryan cards (68-94)

CON40 · June 28, 2004 5:55AM

This is a great thread... I am a big fan of OPCs and I think you've all covered the bases as to the many ways OPC prices are determined and explained... but, I have always wondered something... If OPC did not "borrow" Topps' card designs and instead had their own unique look, do you think they would be more or less appealing? More or less valuable? I'd love some feedback as I have always been curious.

Scott... no 68 OPC Ryan yet? Have the Mauers showed up at your door yet like a flock of unloved stepchildren?

bobsbbcards · June 28, 2004 6:00AM

Keith,

At first I did not collect OPC at all (since they were the same as Topps). Now, I think I only collect them because they are the same as Topps (but better because of those fuzzy edges and dark backs).

Everybody else,

Like 67Standup said, this is not SPAM because I am not selling anything. I am begging! If anybody has the following sets in NM or better, I will pay a stoopid price for them:

1965 OPC Baseball
1967 OPC Baseball
1967 OPC Pinups
1970 OPC Baseball (thought I had a complete set, but when I went through it, it was so disappointing that I need another)
1974 OPC Baseball
1974 OPC Baseball Team Checklists

Thanks for letting me not spam you.

sjeanblanc · June 28, 2004 6:15AM

Keith,

Well definitely no OPC Ryan, he's not letting that go until he gets his Mauer cards. As for them I won't know if they were delivered until I get home, which won't be for another 4 hours at best.

BobBBCards,

Shoot me an email and I will let you know what I got. Its mainly 74,77,78,80 OPC baseball all collateral damage from Ryan hunting.

Scott Jeanblanc
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Collecting Nolan Ryan cards (68-94)

FB · June 28, 2004 7:04AM

Little spam since we're on the subject...

All cards in my 72 OPC baseball set #2 are available. If you guys have any interest either email or pm me.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread...

hbsturn · June 28, 2004 10:04AM

The best thread on opc baseball thus far. Intelligent analysis/speculation. I am 20 cards away from a 1965 opc nm/mt set and would love a little help! (please?) I also have about 50 extras - some are nm/mt. Harold (waseca-collection)

Virtualizard · June 28, 2004 10:41AM

I'll pay ridiculous prices for OPC Willie Stargell cards. If anyone has any in high grade, let me know. Oh yeah, this is not spam because I'm not selling anything either!

Thanks!

JEB.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05) · January 11, 2019 6:47AM

those anyone have these cards in their possession ?

OPCBaseballObsessed · April 12, 2022 12:33PM

Many and several examples of the OPC cards from 1965 to 1975 referenced above (albeit 18 years ago) are going up for auction through Heritage Auctions from now until late May. If the gent who requested those very rare 1974 OPC high-grade star cards (it is thought that the 74 issue was produced about 50% of the other years due to factory worker strike---look at the PSA POP!!), you are in for a HUGE surprise!!!

OPCBaseballObsessed · April 12, 2022 12:34PM

I have scans of most of them. Feel free to request specific cards if you need.

smallstocks · April 12, 2022 6:47PM

1972 o-Pee-Chee PSA 9's?

redlegs · April 13, 2022 12:59AM

@OPCBaseballObsessed said:
I have scans of most of them. Feel free to request specific cards if you need.

I'm always looking for 1974 O Pee Chee PSA Cincinnati Reds cards in high grade and 1971 O Pee Chee High numbered Cincinnati Reds in PSA 7 or higher.

OPCBaseballObsessed · April 13, 2022 2:49PM

I don't have any commons graded. Ill check the 74 commons and see what I have in the way of Reds.

As far as 72s, I don't have any 9s but I do have a bunch of 8s. They have already been turned over to Heritage tho. The nicest 72 OPC Bench (BVG 8) I ever owned is included in a lot of 9. Also included is a BVG 8 Mays. I believe he included those in the catalog auction May 12-14.

I had a 1971 pack break and got a Pete Rose. It was close to the gum so suffered a small surface rip on back, and is off center. Message me your email and Ill send you scans of any Reds stuff still here.

Here is my OPC Reds challenge to you, find the 1966 Tony Perez. Very very difficult card, centering is impossible. A raw one won't cost you that much, but you will be glad you bought it before the prices on these go crazy. The 73 Morgan is also hard to find in good condition.

OPCBaseballObsessed · April 13, 2022 7:08PM

Redlegs I've got very nice copies of Plummer, Norman and Kirby. I have off center (miscut) examples of Grimsley and Nolan. I have not figured out private messaging yet, Let me know if you want scans.

OPCBaseballObsessed · April 13, 2022 7:13PM

Ok another attempt at uploading scans.

o-pee-chee baseball 1968-1975

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