Cross over question re. possible PSA upgrade??

mojorob

I have a cross over question if I may.
I have a few PSA 8 cards that I think might have a very good chance at grading out PSA 9.
Can I resubmit these cards in the PSA holders with a request that I recieve a cross over grade of C9 even if it is in a PSA holder??
Can this be done??
Or does it have to be cracked out of the holder and resubmitted in raw form?
Thank you in advance for any reply.

Mojorob

jrdolan

Very unlikely a PSA grader will admit he or one of his colleagues screwed up the first time, and that's what he'd be doing by knowingly bumping your PSA 8 to 9. If it's got a good chance at 9, then it surely won't get less than what it has now. So you have nothing to lose by cracking and submitting raw. It won't cost any more. Just be dang sure it is good enough to come back as 8!

ctsoxfan

I agree w/jrdolan. Crack and resubmit, or else you have zero chance of upgrading those cards. Just remember that everytime you do that, you take the chance of it coming back lower (but hopefully, if you feel this strongly about them...higher).

Pittfan

Has anyone out there tried this before, and if so any luck on the upgrades?

Griffins

I"ve cracked out a fair amount of SGC's and GAI's that bumped up a grade. Some of the same ones didn't make crossover at a grade lower. Never cracked and resubmitted PSA's, but a friend recently did and about 60% bumped up a grade- and a few went lower.

jrdolan

I've had a success rate of about 50% on cracking and resubmitting cards that I felt strongly were under-graded. Sometimes it was a case of a qualifier being really borderline and I lucked out on the resubmission. It all depends on which grader you get, and even then the result might be different from day to day. Even I have felt differently about my own card from day to day! Remember, they spend far less than a minute assessing each card (albeit with expert eyes) so there's bound to be a little inconsistency... sometimes in your favor, sometimes not. If the card is valuable enough to justify the expense of trying for a higher grade, go for it. As I said, just be sure you're not wearing rose-colored glasses about the 9 poential, 'cause you'll be really ticked if it comes back 7 (or 8 with a qualifier) when you had straight 8 to begin with.

koby

I've tried on a couple of occasions using a $10 per card review service each time. They all came back in the same holder except one PSA 9 OC was turned into a PSA 8.

Fuzz

Mojo,
If it is a set that I collect then it cannot be done.
I tried this last year with a batch of (drum roll please .................) 66 Topps Football.
I took 11 high end 8's that I had bought from a large collection. In each case they were direct from the unopened packs into large (100+ card) submissions. I have always felt that the very large submissions do not do as well on grading as the repetitive nature of the activity seems to bring the grades down. After all, after you have just seen sixty pack fresh cards that are nicely centered and called 8's, it is harfer to imagine what would make one "pop out" and be called a nine.
Anyway, cracked them all and sent them in as a stand alone order. Got five PSA 9's and and six PSA 8's. I still believe that the 8's that came back are just as good as the 9's. I have a a couple dozen more 8's that I will try this with down the road.
In many cases in this set, the 8's go for $30 or less but the 9's can go for more than $200. Seems that the hit rate does not have to be too high for this to be "rewarding". For those not familar with this set, the five "upgrades" represent more than 3% of the 9's graded to date as there are only about one hundred fifty total.
If it is not a set I collect and it is one that Skinsfan or Wolfbear is on. Give it a try. Go for it.
Fuzz
PS. I did see the shot on the other thread on the trading board. Pretty funny.

Pittfan

If this is true and a lot more people are doing this just think of what it does to the population report. Got to wonder how accurate it becomes. Im sure people have done this with rare cards like 52 topps mantle, trying to get higher grade.

Fuzz

Pittfan,
On the coin side of this hobby, there is an entire sub-industry of dealers who focus there business on this exact "grade creep" phenomena.
In coins it is often hundreds to thousands per coin. Here it is tens to maybe hundreds. If you can move vintage stars from 7 to 8. Vintage commons from 8 to 9 or pre war from 6 to 7 or even 5 to 6. It is feasible that you could make $50 to $100 per card after expenses. How many cards do you have to upgrade and how much work is it a month before this starts to look like a second income ? If you have the time to really pick through the cards and look at people's inventory, a few K per month is not out of the question.
I don't think this a big problem, since the grading is so subjective and the scale (1 thru 10) is so black and white, it is a matter of getting the benefit of the doubt today that you didn't get yesterday. If even 1% of the cards graded qualify in these categories, then imagine how mnay of the millions of graded cards could be upgraded. I think this hobby is just not old enough yet to have this done often or publically though there have been a few posts of this happening at shows between dealers.
Fuzz

highend

i have nearly 15 cards from 2 two recent submissions that i think will make the 8 to 9 jump and 2 that MAY make a 9 to 10 jump. rolling the dice on a 9 to 10 is risky but i feel that in anyones eyes they are at least 9's. i plan to send them out this week. albeit, a small sampling,my past experience has yielded close to 35% sucess in getting a bump, i can only rember one instance when an 8 came back as a 5.
someone mentioned something about "rose colored glasses" and i agree that you should look at those cards as if they belonged to someone other than yourself....GOOD LUCK

Fuzz

Now Mojo,
I gave you more than enough time to respond to all these nice board members who took the time to respond to your question. And what do they get from you in return ?? A thank you ?? An I appreciate the help ?? Heck no. Nothin. nodda. Zip. Zilch. Shouldabeena. Squat. Or any other would you might choose to use for zero.
Too many double shifts at the Kwikie Mart lately ? To much of that 79 cent a six pack beer that you drink ? Trying to squeeze together enough loose change so your '66 FB set can make it up to 14th out of the 11 registered ?? Still can't take the fact that they actual grade your cards the way they see and not the way you do ?? At least toss these gentlemen a bone, a thanks, an I'll give it a try, or heck a stick it in your ear - I'll do what ever I want. Where's your manners man ? Does your Wife let you act like this cause I'm sure your Mama don't.
So get that cross- mojo-nation thing going. Get rid of the fem-bots. Didn't know they made them from rubber, and show these guys some love. I'm sure they will all sit by there pc's waiting to be of help in the future based on your kindness.
Hugs and Kisses,
Fuzz
PS. For those of you non-66 Fb guys. This is just more running smack between us buddies and in particular retaliation for the undeucated red neck remarks Mojo made about me last week on the trading board. I mean, I am one ........ but how did he know?
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PlayBall

All of these were originally PSA 8's, and all were cracked out and resubmitted.

1981 Topps Resubmission

25 PSA 8's became.....1 PSA 10, 20 PSA 9's, 1 PSA 9pd, and 3 remained 8's.

Fuzz

Bernie,
I think you are the winner here. Your numbers are vastly above what anyone else has yet been able to get. You must have a very good eye. Maybe Mojo should hire you to look at his stuff since he is concerned.
I was a bit surprised to see an 8 move to a 10. Non of the rest are really a surprise as you clearly picked cards that you thought should have gotten better grades and they did "upon further review". How many 81's did you pick through, if I may ask, to find these gems in the rough ?? Also how do you feel about the 10 ? Is it a borderline 10 or does it look solid to you?
Thanks for sharing. I think you may be qualified for that second income I mentioned for card upgrading.
Fuzz

PlayBall

Fuzz,

I went through about 90-100 PSA 8's from my prior submissions, and other board members submissions that I had bought. I had about 30 that I thought were definitely 9's, but 25 fit nicely on the submission form, so 25 it was. Maybe if I had picked the other 5, I wouldn't have gotten any 8's back.

I'm not a big resubmitter, but 8's in this set are basically worthless, and these cards needed better plastic homes. The 2 grade bump to a 10 was surprising, and undeserved. Overall, it is a strong 9, and maybe it was given the benefit of the doubt, because leading up to it is an 8 and a 9, and an 8 follows it.

Here is a scan. Slight tilt, one very minor print dot to the left of the "C" in Chuck, and the corners are razor sharp.