I hate stupid emails from stupid potential bidders

EagleEyeKid · June 24, 2004 2:06AM

I'm trying to sell a couple GAI 10 hockey cards and have gotten about a dozen emails regarding this Forsberg GAI 10. My auction clearly states what it is with picture and everything. If I don't reply to stupid lame questions, then I feel I'm doing a disservice. "How can it only be 2 in the world? I'm looking at mine right now (from Sweden) and it's #64". What I really want to respond with is, "your card is a piece or raw crap" and not graded. Yes there were millions produced and yada yada yada. Also, what does graded mean? Argghhh......go away! Leave me alone.

AkbarClone · June 24, 2004 2:24AM

Did you say "only 2 exist in the world" or did you say "only 2 GAI 10s exist in the world". If someone is new to collecting/graded cards, then sometimes you have to "hold their hand" and be gentle with them. As long as they are potential bidders, then being nice and informative to them is the best route. Otherwise, just edit/add to the description to make it more clear to the newbies.

Or you can just tell them they are stupid SOB's and block them from bidding--but I think the "nice" path is usually more condusive to getting more bids.

EagleEyeKid · June 24, 2004 2:35AM

>>1991 UPPER DECK PETER FORSBERG RC GRADED GAI 10 PERFECT!!! ONLY 2 OF THESE EXIST AND I OWN THEM BOTH.<<

This is exactly how it's stated. I think under proper english/logic, the 2 comes after the first sentence. Seems that all my responses are redundant with my description, and they seem to accept it the 2nd time around although I've said nothing different. Here is your pacifier; now go away!

carew4me · June 24, 2004 2:46AM

EEK,
Your a moron. Get a job like your parents have begged you too.

Your repated use of the word stupid is redundant and self defining.

BigKidAtHeart · June 24, 2004 2:47AM

<< >>1991 UPPER DECK PETER FORSBERG RC GRADED GAI 10 PERFECT!!! ONLY 2 OF THESE EXIST AND I OWN THEM BOTH.<< >>

you probably should have said

>>1991 UPPER DECK PETER FORSBERG RC GRADED GAI 10 PERFECT!!! ONLY 2 OF THESE EXIST IN GAI 10 AND I OWN THEM BOTH.<<

OR

>>1991 UPPER DECK PETER FORSBERG RC GRADED GAI 10 PERFECT!!! ONLY 2 OF THESE EXIST IN THIS GRADE BY GAI AND I OWN THEM BOTH.<<

Because, there may be other graded 10s from PSA, BVG, SGC or PRO...

EagleEyeKid · June 24, 2004 2:53AM

repated ?? Learn/write proper english before you criticize. Stupid emails and stupid potential... are two different things. And it's "you're", not "your".

I updated it and revised the others.
Thanks.

TheRoach · June 24, 2004 3:05AM

<< EEK,
Your a moron. Get a job like your parents have begged you too.

Your repated use of the word stupid is redundant and self defining. >>

Carew4Me,

More helpful insight from one of the most friendly and understanding board members. Especially during work days, I only wish I could be as happy as you seem to be. Instead, I rely on you for that much needed smile every now and then. Thank you!

TheRoach

carew4me · June 24, 2004 3:09AM

Roach, Glad I could help.

EEToddler, the typos have purpose and intent. They give you an "out". They allow to avoid stinging criticism
by focusing solely on their existence. Like a well trained chimp with a wiffle ball bat, you danced.

Your welcome.

envoy98 · June 24, 2004 3:27AM

Dancing chimps with wiffle ball bats? Is that a Wisconsin thing?

coachh · June 24, 2004 3:33AM

EEK

Please put me on your blocked bidder list. I welcome emails when I sell items. If you get this upset over an email, what do you do when it takes 8 days to receive payment?

Coach

jrdolan · June 24, 2004 3:35AM

At the risk of getting hit by some of the mud that's flying around here, I don't think any question is stupid from someone who cares enough about my auction to make an inquiry.

ctsoxfan · June 24, 2004 3:44AM

I agree. I sell quite a few graded cards, and never had anyone ask me via email such basic questions. But, if they did...who cares? I welcome the inquries, which might lead to sales...that is a basic concept of business.

Perhaps you might make your auction descriptions a bit more clear...

SoFLPhillyFan · June 24, 2004 4:21AM

<< Dancing chimps with wiffle ball bats? Is that a Wisconsin thing? >>

Couldn't find the wiffle ball bat, but apparently this site in the UK is popular.
My favorite is the Hustle.

Dancing Chimp

Music may sooth the savage board member, but dancing chimps will always make them stop insulting each other.

envoy98 · June 24, 2004 4:26AM

Um....not sure how to respond to that piece of artistic perfection.... I'll have to think about that one.

pandrews · June 24, 2004 4:43AM

<< 
EEToddler, the typos have purpose and intent. They give you an "out". They allow to avoid stinging criticism
by focusing solely on their existence. Like a well trained chimp with a wiffle ball bat, you danced.

>>

youre lying.. you simply cant spell..

carew4me · June 24, 2004 4:47AM

cant = can't

I thought we were pals.

DirtyHarry · June 24, 2004 4:50AM

There are people out there who bid on graded cards that do not understand grading standards. I had an experience with a buyer who won my auction on a 67 Topps Mays PSA 7. Before the auction closed, he emailed me asking to send him scans (I did). His bid at the time was $70, then he bids up to $123!

A few days after he received the card, he sends me an email saying that he is distraught because the card was not perfectly centered (it was 45/55 or better).I tried explaining to him how the grades work. He was without a clue. I offered to refund him $30, advising him that his bid was about same above SMR. He took it. When I mailed him his refund, I enclosed a copy of the PSA grading standards. A few days later I get an email from him thanking me to no end, as he never understood grading. So, call him uninformed or "stupid" or whatever you like, but you have to expect this kind of thing from time to time as a seller, and be prepared to assist in the education of your potential buyers. IMO. Regards.

pandrews · June 24, 2004 4:56AM

<< cant = can't

I thought we were pals. >>

cant=spelled wrong -minus punctuation..
you'll notice that im not a fan of puncuation.. (as evident by my repeated incorrect use of "..")

its all good.. i just cant help but be a smart-a$$ sometimes.. we're pals!

TheRoach · June 24, 2004 5:10AM

Hey Carew4Me, are we pals?

TheRoach

carew4me · June 24, 2004 5:15AM

Heck yeah!

Even though you think all I do is post negative. I consider it my witty reparte.

In fact I often crack myself up.

Plus, if I ever start collecting GU Jock Straps I am going to need your expertise!

There I go again!

Dallas88 · June 24, 2004 5:51AM

I still think the Reggie Jackson - "marijuana" pic posted by Carew was the funniest photoshopped pic I've seen here.

Hey carew, if you have any other p.s. pics, I'd love to see them!

Thank you!

Dal

SDavid · June 24, 2004 6:10AM

Imagine the questions people must get when they list gai cards as the first graded.

habs71 · June 24, 2004 3:35PM

<< I hate stupid emails from stupid potential bidders >>

You have to have patience....some people are born knowing everything..be it sports, politics, religion, sports cards & grading,etc. I'm sure you've met a few of these folks..heck I think there's even some on this board.

Then there's the rest of us that, unfortunately, have to learn as we make our way through life. And it's kind of depressing when you reach my age..60..and realize you still don't know everything. Luckily for me all my family & friends are in the same boat as me and don't mind questions.

Perhaps you should contact eBay and see if you can disable the "Ask Seller A Question" function for your auctions.

Now I'm wondering if these folks that know everything are the same ones that started on eBay with a feedback of 200+.. .. I believe we have a few of those on the board also..you know, the ones that have such disdain and suspicion for an eBayer with a 0 or low feedback rating.

Skip

EvilleKlownie · June 24, 2004 4:40PM

Here's EagleEyeKid's auction

My questions to you would be ( and I hope these don't sound too stupid ) :

1. Why are you deceiving bidders into thinking this is a rare card in a 10 when PSA's pop report shows the following :
Year - Company - Card No - Name --------------------- 5 -- 6 --- 7 ---- 8 ---- 9 --- 10 -- Total
1991 UPPER DECK - 64 - PETER FORSBERG ---- 2 -- 4 - 41 - 556 - 628 - 167 ---1399
If you add BGS's data to PSA's you'll find this card is about as rare as yet another BS artist like you ripping off ebay bidders.

2. Why are you spamming BGS an PSA in your auction title, when you're selling a card graded by GAI ?
3. Why are you throwing around numbers like $ 725 when SMR for a PSA 10 is about 40 bucks ?
4. Since it's actually easier to make money without cheating people, why don't you go do something productive with your life ?

5. Final question : how do you sleep at night ?

pandrews · June 25, 2004 1:41AM

<< Here's EagleEyeKid's auction

My questions to you would be ( and I hope these don't sound too stupid ) :

1. Why are you deceiving bidders into thinking this is a rare card in a 10 when PSA's pop report shows the following :
Year - Company - Card No - Name --------------------- 5 -- 6 --- 7 ---- 8 ---- 9 --- 10 -- Total
1991 UPPER DECK - 64 - PETER FORSBERG ---- 2 -- 4 - 41 - 556 - 628 - 167 ---1399
If you add BGS's data to PSA's you'll find this card is about as rare as yet another BS artist like you ripping off ebay bidders.

2. Why are you spamming BGS an PSA in your auction title, when you're selling a card graded by GAI ?
3. Why are you throwing around numbers like $ 725 when SMR for a PSA 10 is about 40 bucks ?
4. Since it's actually easier to make money without cheating people, why don't you go do something productive with your life ?

5. Final question : how do you sleep at night ? >>

deceiving bidders? it looks clear to me.. he is stating there are only 2 GAI 10s (Perfect) graded.. if its in fact true that the last "pristine" sold for $725, then THAT is why he is "throwing around numbers" like $725..

although *I* would never even BUY a Beckett graded card, we all know that "modern" Beckett 10's and even 9.5's bring more than PSA 10's.. am I right?

edited to say the PSA & BGS "Spamming" doesnt bother me, either.. the card has been graded by a reputable, albeit lesser known, company.. if it were NOT a graded card, then I would object to "spamming" PSA or BGS.. just my opinion.. and I think you guys are being a little harsh on him..

EagleEyeKid · June 25, 2004 2:13AM

Okay, I may have opened up a can of worms here and threw in an inappropriate usage of a certain adjative; and that I'll apologize for. What I was trying to get across was the frustation of receiving certain types of emails that don't even pertain to the auction.....an onslaught of them. "Why is there 2, when I have one"? Meaning they have a raw card and it says that it books for $6 and why am I charging a certain amount and so forth. This is what I was trying to get across and should I even answer these types of email questions because these individual don't know anything about grading and just want information which is fine. Although it gets tiresome after the 15th email asking me the same thing and I'm not in the mood for a tutorial. As far as Mr. Clown's questions; here are my answers:
1) How am I deceiving anyone? Everything is stated clearly what it is with a picture. You bringing up the pop. report from PSA or BGS has nothing to do with this particular card. PSA may have 167 graded in Gem Mint 10, but do they have Pristine/Perfect grade? NO to PSA, and 1 to BGS. I realize there are millions of this card produced so it is not rare, but rare in the stated condition.
2)Spamming BGS, PSA, SGC in my title (the reputable companies) for cross reference. These are the only true real companies and I was pointing out that 3 of them have the pristine grade and out of the 3, only 2 of them have graded this card in this condition. Also, under Ebay's listing of category slabbed cards, everything falls under either BGS, PSA or other. I don't consider GAI or SGC as other as does Beckett magazine. They list the 4 top companies, with everyone else as other....CTA, MGS,PRO,TFA, etc. I see tons of other sellers use this, and if it becomes strict policy then I will never do it again.
3)The last BGS 10 pristine of this card sold for $725+ and I know the person who bought it. You can throw out the SMR value of $40 for Gem mint. This card is not gem mint, it's better! Again, PSA does not have a pristine grade.
4)How the hell am I cheating people? Please clarify. As far as being productive in life, I think I did a good job. I was an Ranger in Vietnam and took a bullet in my lumbar 4 at the age of 22 back in '73. Yes, I am in a wheelchair but it doesn't stop me from being productive. I work with Forsenic analysis in conjunction with CSI here in California.
5) Do I sleep well? Not really.

pandrews · June 25, 2004 2:27AM

<< 
4) As far as being productive in life, I think I did a good job. I was an Ranger in Vietnam and took a bullet in my lumbar 4 at the age of 22 back in '73. Yes, I am in a wheelchair but it doesn't stop me from being productive. I work with Forsenic analysis in conjunction with CSI here in California. >>

Airborne! to you..

Stone193 · June 25, 2004 2:41AM

<< Why are you spamming BGS an PSA in your auction title, when you're selling a card graded by GAI ? >>

I can the see the point for someone who is just looking for PSA to be misguided into viewing a potentially spammed item. BUT, at least in this case the card is from a legitimate grading company like GAI. This doesn't really get me. What bothers me - when searching for PSA and get spammed by a seller with Pro, Gem, Capital etc.!!

<< Airborne! to you.. >>

All the way!
Mike

helionaut · June 25, 2004 3:40AM

Spamming grading service names in your title is kind of cheesey, if not actually deceptive. If you were looking for a Hank Aaron card, would you appreciate people using the "Hank" when they have a Tommie Aaron card? But it's not nearly as annoying as PSA? or completely ungraded cards being spammed. If I was of a crossover mind, I would actually be looking for GAI/SGC/BVG cards.

I just wonder what it would take to get EagleEyeKid to change his icon. That picture is messed up, man.

EvilleKlownie · June 25, 2004 6:20AM

EagleEyeKid, on behalf of all Americans, I'd like to thank you for your unselfish sacrifice during the Viet Nam war.
You are a true hero in my eyes, and it just goes to show how unimportant all these fights over pieces of cardboard are,
but I still think your auction description is a bunch of BS.

goodriddance189 · June 25, 2004 6:20AM

hey eagleeye, i had no idea you were optimum cards on ebay. i'm sure i've bought stuff from you in the past

envoy98 · June 25, 2004 7:00AM

Here is my question...

Is it more frustrating answering questions about your auctions, or answering questions about your ethics, morals and direction in life from people on these boards?

By the way, we all appreciate your sacrifice and wish you well. I applaud Klownie for at least stating that even though he disagrees with your auction titles.

EagleEyeKid · June 25, 2004 8:07AM

I promise; I will never spam again in my auction title(s) and all my descriptions will be clear and concise.
I never had to do it before with BGS or PSA because everyone knows who they are. Maybe unconsciously, I just wanted to get the word out for Global. I'll just be glad once the auction ends this weekend sold or not. I may try the cross-over program which I'm still looking into. Can I still spam in the subtitle? J/K

Stone193 · June 25, 2004 9:26AM

<< Can I still spam in the subtitle? >>

EagleEye
That shouldn't bother anyone, IMO. That would only be adding to your descriptive choice of words.
I have a few GAI 8's and they look pretty good to me. So, crossover is a good possibility for the ones I have - but, as we know, anything is possible when it comes to grading.
Mike

pandrews · June 25, 2004 9:52AM

<< I never had to do it before with BGS or PSA because everyone knows who they are. Maybe unconsciously, I just wanted to get the word out for Global. >>

exactly.. alot of people still dont know about GAI.. and if you want top dollar for your GAI cards, you BETTER put something else in the title..

Dont change your auction just because a couple people disagree with it.. your Forsberg auction is fine just how it is..

jrdolan · June 25, 2004 1:21PM

I don't really mind if a seller uses a PSA comparison in the title, such as SGC 92 = PSA 8, or even if they put PSA in there as a keyword to grab anyone looking for legitimate graded cards. As long as they also put GAI or SGC there to warn off anyone who doesn't want to look at those brands. Yeah, it's a waste of my time when a PRO card has a PSA keyword, but whatcha gonna do?

These GAI and SGC cards are potentially biddable cards that I won't see unless I remember to do a specific GAI or SGC search ... or leave out the grading service altogether. But then I'll get all the ungraded material and even non-cards, which I don't want to wade through.

I hate stupid emails from stupid potential bidders

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