Error/variation card resources

TCC

Does anyone know of any online resources for finding lists of known trading card errors or variations?

I have various items in a file that I pulled out of hobby magazines over the years and also know that the annual price guide books will list some errors and variations, but wondered about online resources - especially anything that shows the regular card image and then the error/variation.

Thanks,

-Bob

Griffins

Bob-
As one that never considers a set complete until all the variations are there I've found this info often hard to come by. The annual guides are good at stating there is a variation, but sometimes they are pretty obscure and tough to identify. Case in point are some of the "partial line" variations in '67 Topps. Occasionally the standard guide drops a variation that it has listed for years, just because it was never actually found.
Sometimes this lack of information can benefit someone willing to do the homework to know the difference- other times it can make you tear your hair out. Case in point the '48 Leaf set. There are 2 variations- Cliff Aberson with short sleeves and long sleeves (the blue undershirt goes to either the wrist or forearm). The seller didn't know what he had and I bought the SS for $6. (it should go for 10-20x that). On the other variation Gene Hermanski has his full name or "Hermansk" on the front. The "Hermansk" is about a 2K card in PSA 7, "i" a $150. card. But there are several in slabs out that that misidentify the more common version as the rarer one, and its frustrating to get excited you've finally found a tough card only to see the slab is wrong and the seller is taking full advantage of the mistake.
I"m happy to send you scans of any I have- shoot me a pm with what you need/have.
Anthony

fsjeter

Maybe this errors and variations link will help! It's just for vintage cards.

wlf3

TCC, I too work on finding the variations/errors for my sets. If you have a list of needs you can email them to me I have lots of duplicates and would gladly trade for ones i need.

as for a list, the best i found is the Big Beckett yearly price guide, though takes some scanning. I have made a list i can send as well if desired.

let me know on this stuff.

TCC

fsjeter,

Thanks for the link. That was along the lines of what I was thinking of.

Griffins and wlf3,

Errors and variations have always interested me, but they have not been something I've really spent that much time on. Before I start digging into them more, I wanted to first see what resources were already out there. My suspicion was correct though and there is currently very little online.

This will probably become one of my "projects" and I'll end up building a section for my site that contains as much information as possible about the various known errors/variations and I'll want to include as many scans as possible to help other collectors put a visual with the often hard to understand and short error descriptions that you find in the hobby magazines and books.

If you'd like to help in any way, it would be appreciated. Just let me know.

As far as which errors/variations I have, that's part of a bigger problem for me. With over 0.5 million cards taking up an entire room in my house, I've sort of lost track. Guess I'm going to have read up on that "storing cards" thread a little...

Thanks,

-Bob

wlf3

tcc- let me know and i'll toss you my spreadsheet. I made a "master" list of everything in the Beckett yearly and some that I knew of not listed of the errors/variations. from 1952-2002, listing both (or more) variations and of course MY checklist.

bill

JonB

griffins:
"As one that never considers a set complete until all the variations are there..."

griffins, does this mean you think someone would need both versions of the '52 Topps Mantle card to have a "complete set"

sorry, I just couldn't resist asking you that question

TCC

<< <i>griffins, does this mean you think someone would need both versions of the '52 Topps Mantle card to have a "complete set" >>



Don't ever to forget to check whether your stitching is clockwise or counterclockwise... It's very important.

-Bob

Griffins

JonB-
Thankfully, '52 Topps is one of the few post war sets I don't have!
That being said, I do rationalize a few of the variations as "bs variations" and declare victory on a set and go home. Falling under this category are '54 Bowman statistical variations, and the '72 Topps Cubs variations. NOT falling under this category are '57 Baker/Bakep, '58 Herrer/Herrera, and '60 Fleer Martin/Collins, Tinker and Grove, among others.
This may be hypocritical but I can deal with that- the last man that was perfect Mel Gibson made a movie about.
And, yes, when I start the '52 set I won't consider it complete until both Mantle variations are there, as well as the Page and Sain variations. Doesn't mean they all have to be PSA 8
BTW, doesn't Jackie Robinson have variations similar to Mantle in '52 Topps?

TCC

<< <i>BTW, doesn't Jackie Robinson have variations similar to Mantle in '52 Topps? >>



Yes, cards 311-313 all have the "stitching direction" variation which includes Mantle, Jackie Robinson and Bobby Thomson.

-Bob

JonB

version A and B of the 52 topps mantle card have a lot more different than just the stitching.

TCC

<< <i>version A and B of the 52 topps mantle card have a lot more different than just the stitching. >>



This is the point of this thread exactly. Where exactly can someone find all of this information.... Even the Beckett almanac doesn't always contain all of the info. So, help us out, what are the other differences on the Mantle card?

-Bob

fsjeter

TCC,

I'll keep my eye out for any other sights. It looks like that one hasn't been updated in quite a while but it's still seems to be a pretty good source.

Scott

pandrews

i've never heard of a 52T Mantle variation.. what is it?

TCC

Scott,

Thanks for the help. Actually, I just went to that page to get a little more info on the '52 Mantle variation!

Here's what that site lists:

1952 #311 Mantle (a) incomplete black box around Yankees logo (b) complete black box around Yankees logo

Any other differences that others know about other than this and the stitching direction?

-Bob

mikeschmidt

<< <i>
BTW, doesn't Jackie Robinson have variations similar to Mantle in '52 Topps? >>



So does Bobby Thompson.

bobsbbcards

<< <i>Any other differences that others know about other than this and the stitching direction? >>



On the Mantle with the incomplete box around Mantle's name, the "s" in DiMaggio's (first line of text in bio) falls under the "t" in "Right". On the Mantle with the complete box, the "s" in DiMaggio's falls under the "h" in "Right".

fsjeter

I have to admit, I was aware of the black box variation but I didn't know about the stitching variation.

Griffins

I would assume that since Mantle, Jackie and Thomson all have stitching variations, and since Mantle is a double print on the sheet that the other two are as well? Are these the only DP's in the high numbers?
Is that also the reason for the switched backs on Page and Sain, or were those just stripping errors that got corrected?

mikeschmidt

<< <i>I would assume that since Mantle, Jackie and Thomson all have stitching variations, and since Mantle is a double print on the sheet that the other two are as well? Are these the only DP's in the high numbers?
Is that also the reason for the switched backs on Page and Sain, or were those just stripping errors that got corrected? >>



Griffins: Yes on the first part. On the 100-card sheet, there were 97 different cards, with the DPs of Mantle, Jackie and Thomson

NickM

In other variation news, Beckett has decided that the 1969 Wilbur Wood "variation" they showed last issue is a printing/focus issue, and not a separate variation.

Nick

TCC

For anyone that is interested on information about the Mantle variations, a link to another good reference (with images) was posted on another thread. Click here to see the additional information.

-Bob