eBay seller describes his NGC MS66 Walker as no better than MS64

solid

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Slightly above average luster. Strong strike with a full head and hand and almost a fully split stem. A number of scattered obverse ticks and light abrasions making me wonder who got "lucky" enough to get this coin in a 66 holder. Also a few light reeding marks on the reverse. If I cracked this coin out and submitted it to ANY grading service I would expect an MS64 grade. How NGC could put this out as MS66 with a clean conscience is beyond me, unless of course they don't have a conscience.

It has 8 bids and is up to $425, currently.

This auction makes for an interesting read. Who is this person?

Ken

Louis

The guy has a lot of nice coins for sale and I may be a sucker, but I tend to believe his descriptions.

100proof1957

sounds like an ad for a newsletter !
nice coin and prolly not a 64.

Proof

razorface1027

By the pics, it looks to be a HAPPENIN' Walker to me. I think it's beautiful.

Russ

Solid,

He's been using the novel idea of honesty in his auctions since day one. Very trustworthy, and knows what he's talking about. I completely disagree with his philosophy on feedback, (check the link he provides), but I look for his listings and jump on it when he has a coin I'm interested in.

Russ, NCNE

Android

Sure looks like a 66 to me.

K6AZ

That coin is no 64. I could see it maybe being a 65, but with the original halo and surfaces, there is no way that would only grade 64.

TonedCoinTrader

That brownish toning looks like residue from a dipping it recieved prior to submission to me hence the 66 grade! JMHO.

Scott

K6AZ

<< <i>That brownish toning looks like residue from a dipping it recieved prior to submission to me hence the 66 grade! >>



I don't think so. You see that halo on the obverse? The halo is caused by flow lines on the surface. Dipping causes the flow lines to be distorted. If that coin had been dipped, there would not be such a pronounced halo on the obverse.

puff

He just makes my point in what I posted a minute ago in Adrians thread.

100proof1957

I felt it was a 65-66.
didnt mean to dog his coin !

Proof

ElectricEye

From his page:

<< <i>as reputable eBayers, we should NEVER leave a negative for anyone for any reason. >>



Link

The cower and not warn others of problem EBayers philosophy doesn't suit me. I now have 12 negatives from non-paying bidders. (I have left 115 negatives, so far.)

coinlieutenant

No way that coin is a 64...

K6AZ

I think he is playing reverse psycology.

puff

<< <i>No way that coin is a 64... >>



John...... It may not be a 64 but it wouldn't qualify as a 66 either in my opinion...... Even in the photo the luster looks subdued and there are to many marks for me to give it a 66, maybe 65...... As for the strike it is easy to find 43-D's fully struck....... It also appears to have some sort of staining are unattractive brownish color, plus the halo doesn't look that great to me...... JMHO.

291fifth

Some twenty years ago there was an auction house in my area that used undergrading as a hook to draw bidders to his auctions. He would take, for example, an obvious (from its photograph) XF Draped Bust dollar and list it as a Fine in the catalog. The auction would draw in the crowds to get the deals. Needless to say, the coins usually sold for an XF price.

stman

Anybody ever thought perhaps he's just an "Old grumpy technical grader?" He does mention he's 45 years of age. Years ago a 65 would only have a couple or few very minute marks on it with blazing luster. Today I've seen many and I mean many 66 and 67's with a bunch of marks in the breast, down the leg, on the sun and in the field. Oh and BTW, these coins I mention in high grade were in PCGS holders as well as NGC.

Just my usual "Grumpy" opinion.

puff

<< <i>Anybody ever thought perhaps he's just an "Old grumpy technical grader?" He does mention he's 45 years of age. Years ago a 65 would only have a couple or few very minute marks on it with blazing luster. Today I've seen many and I mean many 66 and 67's with a bunch of marks in the breast, down the leg, on the sun and in the field. Oh and BTW, these coins I mention in high grade were in PCGS holders as well as NGC.

Just my usual "Grumpy" opinion. >>



Well you just suck in my grumpy old opinion.

stman

Thanks Puff, I take that as a compliment that you agree I speak the truth.

ddbird

I think its pretty...I would not pay above 65 price though

puff

<< <i>Thanks Puff, I take that as a compliment that you agree I speak the truth. >>



So do I....... BTW..... Why don't you show them what a 1943-D in ms66 should look like.

zenny

if i remember this seller correctly, he used to sell coins under the handle gr8pyramid.

at that time he was also selling all his coins, that time it was because he was tired of the third party grading service "games" and the fact that he wasn't an insider and couldn't get his coins graded high enough (or something like that).

(that one looks like a pretty solid 65 to me, by the by)


z

puff

<< <i>if i remember this seller correctly, he used to sell coins under the handle gr8pyramid.

at that time he was also selling all his coins, that time it was because he was tired of the third party grading service "games" and the fact that he wasn't an insider and couldn't get his coins graded high enough (or something like that).

(that one looks like a pretty solid 65 to me, by the by)


z >>



You're correct zenny, he sold as gr8pyramid for a longtime........ I agree with your solid 65 too.

oreville

Stman:

Your quote:

<<<<<<<<Anybody ever thought perhaps he's just an "Old grumpy technical grader?" He does mention he's 45 years of age....>>>>>>

Well, how does that make me feel at 50 years of age with over 40 years in this hobby??????????

Oh, I get it; "I am a REALLY old grumpy technical grader?"

stman

<< <i>Stman:

Your quote:

<<<<<<<<Anybody ever thought perhaps he's just an "Old grumpy technical grader?" He does mention he's 45 years of age....>>>>>>

Well, how does that make me feel at 50 years of age with over 40 years in this hobby??????????

Oh, I get it; "I am a REALLY old grumpy technical grader?" >>



Well if you want to put it that way.......YES

Just kidding, my point was perhaps he has been around for a while, and grades like we did before and when certification began. Myself? I'm just a spring chicken so I wouldn't know about these "Old Grumpy Guys."