1989 upper deck...again

ldferg

sorry to keep posting about this, but i keep getting asked this question "why are the boxes not shrinkwrapped?".

the reason i bring this up is another individual is questioning the validity of the foil wax. this person purchased 5 of the foil boxes (which came from a factory sealed case) and is now asking me for a refund or wants them at a reduced rate to resell to his buying customers.

from my experience regarding both low and hi series, these were not shrinkwrapped from the factory until 1990. only the factory sets and high-number sets from 1989 were shrinkwrapped.

from the advice of the buyer, i've contacted mr. mark murphy (bbckid) and he has confirmed the above with regards to the 1989 upper deck foil wax. i've left voice mail with the packaging manager at upper deck and i have emailed the buyer the information provided by mr. murphy.

this case was sealed with the upper deck logo tape which was not altered in any way. i broke the seal, opened the case, nothing was shrinkwrapped (as expected), opened a few boxes myself and sold the remaining 16. so far one person has indicated pulling a griffey, no other feedback left yet.

this is the 2nd person threatening to go thru ebay/paypal if i do not issue a refund on these foil boxes. however, this person says he's "giving me till the end of next week" before proceeding. we have verbally spoken on the phone.

your thoughts?

mikeschmidt

don't accept Paypal!

ctsoxfan

Sounds like you did your homework, and the confirmation by Mark Murphy should be good enough to prove the lack of shrink wrap. Stand your ground.

CON40

Am I missing something? The disgruntled buyer, fearing searched boxes, refers you to Mark Murphy for validation. Murphy supports your statement that boxes were not originally shrinkwrapped, thereby quelling the buyer's suspicion. So, why the continued beef from him? Shouldn't Murphy's opinion satisfy him? This makes no sense to me other than the fact that the buyer is trying to whack you for an unjustified discount. Sounds like a jerk to me. I'd tell him a deal is a deal.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

jrdolan

If I recall correctly (and 1989 is ancient history!), aren't the UD packs of the sealed foil variety? In other words, they can't be opened and carefully resealed like Topps/Donruss/Fleer in that era. That was one of the big selling points for UD and the start of the high-end foil packs that are standard fare today. So if the packs can't be tampered with, what difference does it make if the box is shrink-wrapped? By the way, anybody with some cling wrap and a hair dryer can shrink-wrap something, so that in itself is not proof of anything.

Stone193

<< <i>this case was sealed with the upper deck logo tape which was not altered in any way. >>


Id
That was going to be my next question - a friend bought a case back in the 90's and, yes, the boxes were not shrink wrapped. I do remember people talking about the fact that UD placed packs in the same order and one could 'cherry pick' the good packs out. Don't know if this actually works well but as you said the case was well sealed and didn't appear to be tampered with. Otherwise, based on some input I had years ago, your boxes may have been cherry picked? I personally doubt it - just another point to take.
Mike

ldferg

when speaking with the buyer, he stated that he cannot resell the boxes to his customers for a profit because they are not shrinkwrapped from the factory.

he suggested i contact mark murphy, which i did. i am satisfied and have plans to contact the buyer next week per his request.

thanks for your input. it is appreciated.

envoy98

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but at what point were you obligated to make him a profit? He bought them, not knowing anything about them and somehow your to be held responsible? Hmm... I just get a kick out of people saying things like this.

When I was in KC doing the Tri-Star show, several dealers came up to me and asked what I wanted for a given card. When I'd tell them a price (usually 50-60% of book) I would be told "I gotta make a profit too y'know"...That absolutely baffles me, I didn't know I was put on this earth and entered into this hobby to make other people money...

I don't think you are/should be held accountable for anything from this point. If you've delivered the boxes you said you would and your statements to him have been corroborated as fact. I would tell him to kindly pi$$ off...

EagleEyeKid

There was a sequential pattern on the "star rookies" regardless of the foil wrap.
I know; I've gotten my share of Griffeys. I personally would not by these boxes by the singles unless I know I got it from a reputable dealer/seller. If it came from M. Murphy, I would buy them.

Jmnesq

So long as you sent them with delivery confirmation, you should be fine in terms of Paypal. And so long as you pay your eBay bill, they will liekly not ivnestigate -- if they do, you're STILL covered - they weren't shrink wrapped!

schr1st

I hope for a day when people will do their research first, then purchase the items. If you've got any more boxes (are they low or high?), send me a PM, as I'd love to get a box or 2 from a source that I'm sure didn't go cherry picking.

MrRookie

the Griffey rookies are always the third pack in the top right corner of the 2nd box on the left side of the case and the 4th box on the right side of the case

jrdolan

<< <i>the Griffey rookies are always the third pack in the top right corner of the 2nd box on the left side of the case and the 4th box on the right side of the case >>



Well, I'll be damned. I almost wish I didn't know that. Is there some kind of underground reference book for cherrypickers??

Stone193

<< <i>Is there some kind of underground reference book for cherrypickers?? >>


Order of the Inverted Medusa
A secret underground society whose sole mission is the preservation of the guarded secrets of pack feelers and cherry pickers. The Grand High Exaulted Mystic Ruler is Chauncey Farquar III. Only the more motivated are encouraged to apply.
Stone

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phreakydancin

<< <i>this is the 2nd person threatening to go thru ebay/paypal if i do not issue a refund on these foil boxes...

your thoughts? >>


Two suggestions for future auctions: 1) put a note in stating that the boxes are not sealed as Upper Deck did not seal their boxes in 1989, or 2) buy a shrink-wrapper

envoy98

<< <i>2) buy a shrink-wrapper >>


Actually, you could save yourself some money and get some of that new Glad press n'seal! have you seen this stuff? It's the greatest ever! It even keeps girls dry when some fat kid tries to cannonball into the pool! I'm sure it would hold up to the rigors of "shrink-wrapping" a 36 ct box!

MrRookie

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<< <i>the Griffey rookies are always the third pack in the top right corner of the 2nd box on the left side of the case and the 4th box on the right side of the case >>



Well, I'll be damned. I almost wish I didn't know that. Is there some kind of underground reference book for cherrypickers?? >>



I found it posted online...opened the 2 said packs from each of my two cases...paydirt x 4

of course I went ahead and opened the rest of the packs too

A761506

Only 2 Griffey rookies in an entire case is what you're saying? That's terrible. I remember pulling a Griffey from a pack in '89 and I probably didn't buy more than 5-10 packs. Guess I was pretty lucky.

ldferg

after several emails, here is the buyers grounds for wanting a refund:

..." i will seek voiding the entire transaction with square trade on the grounds that from the boxes i
recieved that i dont feel they came from a factory sealed case that was never opened until you sent them to me."...

how does the square trade work? i've never been involved with this. the buyer purchased the boxes, the boxes were sent, i offered insurance on my end (buyer says shipping boxes were not damaged and i used enough peanuts for shipping, but feels they were tampered with since they were not shrinkwrapped), i sent with delivery confirmation, the buyer received the goods, and now the buyer is not happy. how does square trade work with this situation? i did accept paypal from the buyer.

the buyer has requested a refund on 1 of the 5 boxes rather than going thru square trade.

thanks for your opinions

SoFLPhillyFan

<< <i>

<< <i>Is there some kind of underground reference book for cherrypickers?? >>


Order of the Inverted Medusa
A secret underground society whose sole mission is the preservation of the guarded secrets of pack feelers and cherry pickers. The Grand High Exaulted Mystic Ruler is Chauncey Farquar III. Only the more motivated are encouraged to apply.
Stone

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And here I thought it was the Illuminati. Go figure - I've been seeking cherry picking info from the wrong group all this time. No wonder I keep getting cold boxes, but the feedback from my buyers is great!

ld - your options as I see it.

1. Give this second buyer the contact info for the first guy. Tell them both to cry together.
2. Invite them both to your house for a tour of your "elaborate foil pack opening, searching, and resealing operation".
3. Tell them both how to subscribe to this board and let them read the threads. That should be fun.

Hang in there.

PistolPete

You could give me us his e-mail and maybe after a couple of people sending e-mail shooting down his theory he might back off.

Stone193

<< <i>Invite them both to your house for a tour of your "elaborate foil pack opening, searching, and resealing operation". >>




Id
It's a shame you have to go thru all this - the guy got a great price and we have all gotten totally cold boxes in our lives.
Has the guy given you feedback yet? If I missed that - sorry?
Mike
edit: grammar 3rd grade

highend

take the negative and move on. the guy sounds like a moron. when you're right your right....AND YOU ARE RIGHT.

square trade will try to mediate the situation for 20 bucks, sounds like a case of buyers remorse.

ldferg

no feedback has been left. i can handle the neg if that's what he feels he needs to do. i was just curious how the square trade worked. i've never been involved with it.

i'm planning to just go ahead and tell the guy to proceed how he wants and leave it at that.

thanks for all of your comments.

parrotpaul

<< <i>no feedback has been left. i can handle the neg if that's what he feels he needs to do. i was just curious how the square trade worked. i've never been involved with it.

i'm planning to just go ahead and tell the guy to proceed how he wants and leave it at that.

thanks for all of your comments. >>



I auctioned a Don Larsen autographed ball to a guy. I got the ball on QVC in 1990.. I paid $29. I inluded a plastic holder, the COA from QVC, and the original receipt from QVC. He won it for $9.99 plus $7 First Class Priority Insured shipping. I posted two jumbo pics of the ball. He paid PayPal and I mailed the ball immediately.

He got the ball, said it was crap,scuffed and stained. The ball had been in a holder from 1990. I immediately sent an E-mail telling him I would refund his money and pay his return shipping. A week later he e-mailed and threatened bad feedback for the "crap" I had sent him. He said unless I called him, he would take action. He sent his phone number, and I called him. He screamed at me for misrepresenting the ball. I asked why he had not responded to my E-mails. He said he never got them. I asked him to mail everything back and I would also pay for return shipping. I followed up with E-mails to confirm everything. Then he sends me a message saying his wife had thrown out the ball-holder. So, I have a jerk, who for $16 wants to hose me for a new holder. He said he was a Yankee collector and would accept nothing less than mint. I pay shipping both ways, and he will probably give me my first red donut in 175 perfect 100% positive feedback transactions.

The guy is the ultimate nightmare for an eBay seller.

How do you guys handle the seller who simply can't be satisfied and then doesn't mail everything back.

packCollector

unfortunately this is what happens when you deal with uninformed people who seek to use the system for protecting themselves from being idiots or are trying to rob you. if you go through a mediator like squaretrade then it is going to be he said she said. there is no proof but the buyer will make the claim that you stated. the mediator will recommend you take the box back which is probably now cherry picked and replaced with new packs. judging by the statements of this buyer and the fact they are making the claim only becasue it is not shrink wrapped, they are just trying to manipulate the system against you because of their stupidity.

I once had to deal with someone saying I resealed the outside wrap of a 3 wax rack of 83 donruss with a cigarette lighter even though the wax packs were mint and authentic. are you kidding me , I am going to go through the trouble for a $5 tray, reseal it with a lighter, thats a new one to me. sounds like they were just clueless i had a whole box which I sold the pack from so I ultimately sent them another for free just to shut them up.