1960 leaf brooks robinson
JonB
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Well I can't believe I actually won this auction after some guy bid it from $50 to $240 in the last couple hours. Had to pay 2.5x SMR, but I have never seen this card in this grade before; even though the pop report states there are 18 of them graded 8 (but none higher). ebay 5100723343.
I was curious if anyone who follows 1960 Leaf thinks I overpaid here? The SMR is 100 and I won it at 252 (255 was my max).
I was curious if anyone who follows 1960 Leaf thinks I overpaid here? The SMR is 100 and I won it at 252 (255 was my max).
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I hadn't even thought about that. I bet there were more people after it because it was brooks than to fill the set. the only other card I am not looking forward to is orlando cepeda, I really want to find that card in an 8. 707 has the orlando psa8 for $200, after this brooks card I am thinking thats not such a bad deal, esp since its weighted more heavliy than the brooks in the set since its a high number. but then again, there aren't as many collecting orlando cepeda as there are brooks robinson (at least that would be my guess)
I'm just trying to figure out what set I am going to tackle next that won't kill my budget. I didn't think the 1960 leaf set would end up being this hard, but i guess there is a reason there are only 5 sets in the registry now; 1 of which is only 1% complete.
Any ideas for my next set?
(i'm just going to pick away slowly at my cal ripken basic psa 10 set, and the 81 donruss golf shouldn't take too long at all)
The 1960 Leaf set may become much easier to complete in high grade as the remnants of that unopened case get distributed through the hobby. I am sure some boxes will be opened - and they should yield pretty good results overall (was this the product that was distributed with marbles...?)
Best-
ms
I have bought every 1960 Leaf PSA 9 I have found so far (which is only 3) and I can almost guarantee you will never find one of those for under 2 or 3 times SMR.
Honestly the SMR for PSA 9's of this set is SERIOUSLY undervalued because they are just so rare.
<< <i>I have bought every 1960 Leaf PSA 9 I have found so far (which is only 3) and I can almost guarantee you will never find one of those for under 2 or 3 times SMR.
Honestly the SMR for PSA 9's of this set is SERIOUSLY undervalued because they are just so rare. >>
Jon:
Given your experience - I imagine that a number of the packs/boxes from this product will be opened - and it sounds like there should be more high-grade PSA cards on the market. Not that your experience was the best - but you multiple out your two packs against five or six boxes - and that scale will start to add up quickly.
I think there are probably a few interesting factors affecting the set. For example, as a black and white set lacking a lot of star power - it is just not widely colleted. Also, seeing commons from this set in PSA 8 sit on Ebay and not sell for under $30- means that dealers have very little incentive to grade this product, even if they have high quality raw.
Additionally, it looks like a significant number of the PSA 9s are tied up in Jim and Don's collections. As such - you can safely assume that those 9s will not hit the marketplace for decades. Jim is probably not paying up for any more 9s - but Don has more money than God, so the 1960 Leaf sit is a piddling to him, and he can afford to pay hundreds for 9s if he bothers to find/upgrade them.
Also - this set is not so hard in 9 compared to some others. 14% of cards ever graded from this set have gotten a 9 grade - 229 exist on a 144 (146) card set. In comparison, a set like 1955 Bowman has only 300 9's ever on a 320-card set, and 17,750 submissions. Big differential there.
I'm actually sitting on 4 or 5 9's from this set - all Phillies, including Sparky Anderson and perhaps Bunning? But I have no real desire to move those anytime soon. I think, like many of us others, you are basically pursuing an under-appreciated set that is not tracked by too many collectors. For instances like that - I would simply suggest that the SMR is close to meaningless. Probably too high on some PSA 8s - probably way too low on many PSA 9s. But, the flip side is that there seem to be very few putting this set together. Were there to be a massive sale or one of the buyers left the market - prices would likely drop preciptously.
Just my thoughts-
MS
<< <i>Marc -- Weren't the unopened pack all high numbers (73-144)? The low numbers are actually tougher in high grade IMO. >>
That probably makes sense, David - I think you're right.
The "Big Head" cards are the toughest. I think Levi has cornered the market on those, although I think that Jim has one in his set.
As for future unopened material, I have seen 3 or 4 unopened boxes now, oddly enough all were 2nd series which is a lot more rare than the first series.
just a note, 2 of the 4 PSA 9's I have are 1/1's with none higher, and there have now been 3 PSA 10's graded in that set.
<< <i>I have 2 of the big head cards (might have 3, can't remember). When I got them back from PSA there was no special notation on the label so I just put them in my regular set.
As for future unopened material, I have seen 3 or 4 unopened boxes now, oddly enough all were 2nd series which is a lot more rare than the first series.
just a note, 2 of the 4 PSA 9's I have are 1/1's with none higher, and there have now been 3 PSA 10's graded in that set. >>
Jon: I think in the last six to nine months - an unopened case was discovered and the contents have started to filter their way through the hobby. I think that Mr. Mint had something to do with it.
If you do have the Big Head cards - you should get them reholdered. I believe that they are quite valuable overall. I think that Levi paid five figures for his Big Head set...
<< <i>OK...couldn't resist and I opened it. 5 cards...all bent by the 2 marbles in the pack. At least no gum stains. Grades:
Vic Power PSA 9
Tom Borland PSA 9
Juan Pizarro PSA 8
Ernie Broglio PSA 7
Bill Tuttle PSA 7.
This was a Series 1 pack. Mr.Mint recently found a case of Series 2 packs. Waiting for the flood on EBAY. >>
one of the 1960 leaf series 2 packs I bought was graded "unopened" and an 8 by GAI. cracked it out of the case, and very carefully opened the pack, found 4 series 2 cards in it, and 1 series 1 card.
kind of funny huh?
so you said you had some 1960 leaf psa 9's? what would it take for you to consider moving them?
<< <i>so you said you had some 1960 leaf psa 9's? what would it take for you to consider moving them? >>
Trade only - and it is for stuff that you likely cannot find. 1955 Bowman PSA 9 cards. Vintage Phillies PSA 10 cards. Any rare/cool vintage Phillies cards (e.g. T206 rare backs, etc.). No real need to move them - and I'm such a big Phillies fan so I have a desire to keep them. Also want to keep them as potential trade bait to Davalillo - who has some cards I would like. Also a big Schmidt fan - if you have access to any upgrades I want.
what 1955 bowman psa 9 cards do you need? i'll see what i can find if you are really interested in trading
<< <i>legacy rarities has a 1955 bowman psa 9 Yogi up for auction right now... very nice card
what 1955 bowman psa 9 cards do you need? i'll see what i can find if you are really interested in trading >>
I've seen the Yogi - thanks. I already have that card (THANK YOU RON HOBBS) but am nonetheless always excited to see any 1955 Bowman cards in high grade trade hands.
As for a list - I don't really have a specific list I could provide you with - more of a general "I'm interested in almost all of them" type of list. Of the 300 PSA 9's that exist - I can place about 40% of them, and as for the 160 or so unique cards for which there is one or more PSA 9 - I can place close to 100 of them. I would be absolutely interesting in anything you might be able to get hold of through dealers, collectors or contacts. I think I've done a pretty good job at blanketing the marketplace with my name on this set over the past 6 years - so there should not be too much more out there that is not already in someone's private collection.
Best-
MS
also, do you have your schmidt cards in the registry? i might be able to find 1, but i would probably have more luck coming up with psa 9 '55 bowmans
<< <i>So you aren't really trying to complete the entire set?
also, do you have your schmidt cards in the registry? i might be able to find 1, but i would probably have more luck coming up with psa 9 '55 bowmans >>
Jon - Sorry if I was not clear. I already own a completely graded 1955 Bowman set. I am *always* looking for upgrades - but there are very few NM/MT examples I need any longer. If you e-mail me at marc.schoenen@ge.com I will send you a list of the 8's I am looking for. However, I am willing to purchase any PSA 9 or PSA 10 card that I need. In fact - if you do have access to any 1955 Bowman cards in PSA 9 MINT that I need, I probably would not only be willing to trade you my 1960 Leaf PSA 9s - but I would be happy to start throwing in packs of the stuff, and would be willing to even trade you a box, if you were able to find enough 1955 Bowman PSA 9s. If you have access - let me know - I will do my best to make your 1960 Leaf world take a significant turn for the better.
It will take me a couple weeks to meet up with the guy I need to about that set, but i'll be sure and let you know when I do.