I mean BCCG 10 is, "mint or better" This guy took a big risk for a card you can purchase for $100.00. I really get a ill feeling over stuff like this. Anyone else?
Chad This person is on a MarinoQuest - that's all they have purchased - also, have purchased two Gem graded cards - history would indicate that they believe this is a 'true' 10 and may be relatively clueless. Personally, I never liked the extra grading operation and the Mint or better 10 is very misleading IMO. Mike
Never noticed that. I guess he thinks Marino cards are going to skyrocket when he's elected for the HOF. I'm not sure about that, records are almost unbreakable but no SB.. What does anyone else think?
<< <i>Never noticed that. I guess he thinks Marino cards are going to skyrocket when he's elected for the HOF. I'm not sure about that, records are almost unbreakable but no SB.. What does anyone else think?
Chad >>
I think you're probably right Chad. The thing is anytime anyone has a big event, whether it be breaking a record (Bonds), joining a club (Griffey 500), dying (Unitas/Reagan) or getting elected to the hall. Interest is generally piqued again for that person.
So my guess is, the day he is elected, or maybe 7 days before, he'll list all this stuff and probably turn a nice profit. Interest is probably pretty low right now so some money is probably there to be made if you can time it right. Nice thing is, you know exactly when to list the stuff, unlike trying to time your Vlad sales to end the day he hit 9 rbi's.
You might even consider listing that GAI Marino you picked up about 5 days before the induction ceremony. Then replace it about 3 months later for half the price. I did that with a few cards this year, most notably my Lebron & Tiger autos.
I was kind of hoping that GAI had there price guides up by then. That always seems to help.. I'm honestly not sure what I'm going to do, I've always wanted a gem mint Marino..
Well, you could make a few bucks off yours and still get another one besides. Or maybe, with the proceeds you could get a PSA 10 a few months later, after the buzz dies down again.
Wow- he really overpaid for that one, didn't he? This seller seems to have BCCG cards available by the crapload...it must be really cheap to submit to that "service". I wouldn't be suprised if that card crosses to a PSA 8, but even at a PSA 9, he paid almost 4 times too much.
I wouldn't buy a card like this with a scan that bad, but I do have to say that not all BCCG stuff is overgraded. Yes, the "Mint or Better" tag is lame, and there are rumors about exactly how grades are derived, but take a closer look. I was at a show a couple months ago and a guy had some BCCG cards including a 1993 UD Jeter RC graded 10. It was really sweet and would almost certainly cross to a PSA 10. He wanted something like $100 for it, so I passed, but just because it's in a BCCG holder doesn't mean it's not a nice card. This Marino is well-centered and I don't see any printing problems. It looks like 3 corners might be touched, but I can't say for sure. But it might be crossable to a 9 with a better label. Should BCCG 10s not automatically cross to BGS 9 (or better)? I guess what I'm saying is buy the card, not the holder.
As a sidenote, why is it that people who deal in BCCG cards seem to be the most defensive regarding their inventory? The guy with the Jeter started talking to me about how PSA and SGC were crocks and BGS was the only way to go. I asked him why he had only BCCG and not BGS and he had a whole long spiel about it, and without me saying anything else started to get kind of agitated that I wouldn't take his word for it that BCCG was the same as BGS and therefore the only cards worth buying. I mean, if you know the grading is suspect why would you bother in the first place? If the answer is "to make money," why can't you at least be more sanguine about it?
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It looks like 3 corners might be touched, but I can't say for sure. But it might be crossable to a 9 with a better label
Helionaut- That's the problem with these cards. To pay that money for BCCG 10 hoping you could cross it over to a PSA 10 or 9 doesn't work. You can buy a straight PSa 9 for $175-$275. A legit PSA 10 goes for $650-$900.
I don't know anything about submitting to the BCCG service now, but when it was first offered it was available only to select dealers and they had to submit 1000 cards minimum. They received a reduced grading fee and the product was geared towards the "casual retail buyer/cable network shopper". Like anything else, you get what you pay for.
<< <i> I think you're probably right Chad. The thing is anytime anyone has a big event, whether it be breaking a record (Bonds), joining a club (Griffey 500), dying (Unitas/Reagan) or getting elected to the hall. Interest is generally piqued again for that person.
So my guess is, the day he is elected, or maybe 7 days before, he'll list all this stuff and probably turn a nice profit. Interest is probably pretty low right now so some money is probably there to be made if you can time it right. Nice thing is, you know exactly when to list the stuff, unlike trying to time your Vlad sales to end the day he hit 9 rbi's.
You might even consider listing that GAI Marino you picked up about 5 days before the induction ceremony. Then replace it about 3 months later for half the price. I did that with a few cards this year, most notably my Lebron & Tiger autos.
Just my .02 >>
on this topic.. if you have a huge collection of a veteran star thats sure to be a 1st ballot HOF'er, when do you think is the best time to sell? When the player retires? or when he is inducted into the HOF? When is there more "hype"?
Its really pretty simple why BGS came out with BCCG, because its VERY CHEAP to get your card slabbed a 9 or 10 by them, if you submit something like 1000 cards its only $3 a card, and if you submit 10,000 cards its only $2 a card. Thats just a plain joke.
simple reason, so dealers can make more money on cards that aren't worthy of a high PSA grade.
for only $3,000 they can get 1000 BCCG 10's which otherwise they never would have considered getting graded. they turn around and sell these cards on ebay for anywhere from $7 and up. the uninformed collector pays the price because he doesn't realize it would really be a PSA 7 or 8 and worth maybe $3.
its just a very easy way for collectors to make more money, and of course, BCCG (beckett) gets HUGE orders because its so cheap. they may have to grade 1000 cards for $3000, but it may only take a grader 5 days to do it instead of a month if you would have submitted it to BGS, but then again, at the BGS rates, those same 1000 cards might have cost 5 times more to grade ($15,000) but thats why bgs is more respected. (although, obviously PSA is my only choice) i guess if i wanted to get into the business of trying to make $3 a card on ebay and sell 5000 cards a month, i would submit them to bccg instead.
$3 a card? Or, $2 a card? That explains a lot, thanks JonB. As a dealer, if you send in 1000 of your slightly imperfect modern junk cards, and get back, say, 900 of them in holders that say BCCG 10...you are ready to con the masses.
<< <i>So my guess is, the day he is elected, or maybe 7 days before, he'll list all this stuff and probably turn a nice profit >>
Envoy
<< <i>when do you think is the best time to sell? When the player retires? or when he is inducted into the HOF? When is there more "hype"? >>
p_A These are great questions/statements! I would like to hear from those who sell. Brett and Yount - when they were going for the 3000 hit club, I think there was more activity and increase in value of their RC's than around induction time. I think some would say, the hype will come earlier than the week of induction; by that time, the hype is way over and the card may even start to dip a bit as people try to unload them - perhaps having 'missed the boat'. The obvious - sell when people 'demand' the card. Would like to see some input on this. Another note: RC collecting of vintage was hot in the 90's - has it dipped? - I don't think I saw people going crazy over the cards of the recent inductees into the hall. What do you guys think? Mike
I agree stone with everything you said. I have no answer. I do know that $125-$150 for a PSA 9 Elway Rookie seems very undervalued. I have a friend that was selling Elway 9's 6-7 years ago for the same money! I just wish I still had my magic crystall ball. But, with my luck it would've told me to load up on Ryan Leaf- Oh wait I did!!
<< <i>But, with my luck it would've told me to load up on Ryan Leaf- Oh wait I did!! >>
I hear ya dude. My luck - I pulled way MORE Leafs than Mannings! Another factor with these RC's is the number of really quality copies out there. You'll hunt a lot more for a quality Oz, Molitor (w/o ink smear), Yount, Brett, etc. than for stuff produced in the 80's with some exceptions IMO. Mike
I thought it would be the right time to sell when Randy Johnson pitched the no-hitter, but I look on ebay and see nothing really special as far as price movement goes. When David Cone Pitched a no-hitter, his 1987 donruss card did soar over $20 in a PSA 9. Now a few dollars can get his card.
There is no real pattern, but every time there is major publicity, that should be the time where there is movement on the card---more or less.
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<< <i>There is no real pattern, but every time there is major publicity, that should be the time where there is movement on the card---more or less. >>
DG I got to agree with you on that. If you got the stuff, be ready to put it up on a moments notice and hope for the best. Am I wrong or was there much more excitement and hype over RC's with milestones (3000 hit, Nohits, 500hr, hof etc.) in the early 90's? Another factor on value was a major correction of a lot of sets from 1975-present - does anyone remember when a Brett/Yount was 250$, Molitor 125$, Oz 100$, Henderson 200$ etc. in Beckett? Mike
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This person is on a MarinoQuest - that's all they have purchased - also, have purchased two Gem graded cards - history would indicate that they believe this is a 'true' 10 and may be relatively clueless. Personally, I never liked the extra grading operation and the Mint or better 10 is very misleading IMO.
Mike
Chad
<< <i>Never noticed that. I guess he thinks Marino cards are going to skyrocket when he's elected for the HOF. I'm not sure about that, records are almost unbreakable but no SB.. What does anyone else think?
Chad >>
I think you're probably right Chad. The thing is anytime anyone has a big event, whether it be breaking a record (Bonds), joining a club (Griffey 500), dying (Unitas/Reagan) or getting elected to the hall. Interest is generally piqued again for that person.
So my guess is, the day he is elected, or maybe 7 days before, he'll list all this stuff and probably turn a nice profit. Interest is probably pretty low right now so some money is probably there to be made if you can time it right. Nice thing is, you know exactly when to list the stuff, unlike trying to time your Vlad sales to end the day he hit 9 rbi's.
You might even consider listing that GAI Marino you picked up about 5 days before the induction ceremony. Then replace it about 3 months later for half the price. I did that with a few cards this year, most notably my Lebron & Tiger autos.
Just my .02
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As a sidenote, why is it that people who deal in BCCG cards seem to be the most defensive regarding their inventory? The guy with the Jeter started talking to me about how PSA and SGC were crocks and BGS was the only way to go. I asked him why he had only BCCG and not BGS and he had a whole long spiel about it, and without me saying anything else started to get kind of agitated that I wouldn't take his word for it that BCCG was the same as BGS and therefore the only cards worth buying. I mean, if you know the grading is suspect why would you bother in the first place? If the answer is "to make money," why can't you at least be more sanguine about it?
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Helionaut- That's the problem with these cards. To pay that money for BCCG 10 hoping you could cross it over to a PSA 10 or 9 doesn't work. You can buy a straight PSa 9 for $175-$275. A legit PSA 10 goes for $650-$900.
I don't know anything about submitting to the BCCG service now, but when it was first offered it was available only to select dealers and they had to submit 1000 cards minimum. They received a reduced grading fee and the product was geared towards the "casual retail buyer/cable network shopper".
Like anything else, you get what you pay for.
<< <i>
I think you're probably right Chad. The thing is anytime anyone has a big event, whether it be breaking a record (Bonds), joining a club (Griffey 500), dying (Unitas/Reagan) or getting elected to the hall. Interest is generally piqued again for that person.
So my guess is, the day he is elected, or maybe 7 days before, he'll list all this stuff and probably turn a nice profit. Interest is probably pretty low right now so some money is probably there to be made if you can time it right. Nice thing is, you know exactly when to list the stuff, unlike trying to time your Vlad sales to end the day he hit 9 rbi's.
You might even consider listing that GAI Marino you picked up about 5 days before the induction ceremony. Then replace it about 3 months later for half the price. I did that with a few cards this year, most notably my Lebron & Tiger autos.
Just my .02 >>
on this topic.. if you have a huge collection of a veteran star thats sure to be a 1st ballot HOF'er, when do you think is the best time to sell? When the player retires? or when he is inducted into the HOF? When is there more "hype"?
simple reason, so dealers can make more money on cards that aren't worthy of a high PSA grade.
for only $3,000 they can get 1000 BCCG 10's which otherwise they never would have considered getting graded. they turn around and sell these cards on ebay for anywhere from $7 and up. the uninformed collector pays the price because he doesn't realize it would really be a PSA 7 or 8 and worth maybe $3.
its just a very easy way for collectors to make more money, and of course, BCCG (beckett) gets HUGE orders because its so cheap.
they may have to grade 1000 cards for $3000, but it may only take a grader 5 days to do it instead of a month if you would have submitted it to BGS, but then again, at the BGS rates, those same 1000 cards might have cost 5 times more to grade ($15,000) but thats why bgs is more respected. (although, obviously PSA is my only choice) i guess if i wanted to get into the business of trying to make $3 a card on ebay and sell 5000 cards a month, i would submit them to bccg instead.
<< <i>So my guess is, the day he is elected, or maybe 7 days before, he'll list all this stuff and probably turn a nice profit >>
Envoy
<< <i>when do you think is the best time to sell? When the player retires? or when he is inducted into the HOF? When is there more "hype"? >>
p_A
These are great questions/statements! I would like to hear from those who sell.
Brett and Yount - when they were going for the 3000 hit club, I think there was more activity and increase in value of their RC's than around induction time.
I think some would say, the hype will come earlier than the week of induction; by that time, the hype is way over and the card may even start to dip a bit as people try to unload them - perhaps having 'missed the boat'.
The obvious - sell when people 'demand' the card. Would like to see some input on this.
Another note: RC collecting of vintage was hot in the 90's - has it dipped? - I don't think I saw people going crazy over the cards of the recent inductees into the hall.
What do you guys think?
Mike
Chad
<< <i>But, with my luck it would've told me to load up on Ryan Leaf- Oh wait I did!! >>
I hear ya dude. My luck - I pulled way MORE Leafs than Mannings!
Mike
There is no real pattern, but every time there is major publicity, that should be the time where there is movement on the card---more or less.
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<< <i>There is no real pattern, but every time there is major publicity, that should be the time where there is movement on the card---more or less. >>
DG
I got to agree with you on that. If you got the stuff, be ready to put it up on a moments notice and hope for the best. Am I wrong or was there much more excitement and hype over RC's with milestones (3000 hit, Nohits, 500hr, hof etc.) in the early 90's? Another factor on value was a major correction of a lot of sets from 1975-present - does anyone remember when a Brett/Yount was 250$, Molitor 125$, Oz 100$, Henderson 200$ etc. in Beckett?
Mike