Proof that the modern grading market is being killed by trimmers (BGS related so please don't erase
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Our old friend Unklbnz (who was recently brought up after he was caught trimming a LeBron SP Authentic AUTO RC and getting a BGS 9.5) isn't even getting his money back when he gets a BGS 9.5 Pujols SP Authentic. Check out one auction he bought raw Pujols SP Authentic and another auction he
sold BGS 9.5 Pujols SP Authentic
With the cost of grading and ebay fees, he's losing a fair chunk to bust out the old paper cutter.
sold BGS 9.5 Pujols SP Authentic
With the cost of grading and ebay fees, he's losing a fair chunk to bust out the old paper cutter.
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It APPEARS (I could be wrong) that the buying serial number is 0996 and the selling one is 0551 (or similar). Course I cant tell really.....
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<< <i>??
It APPEARS (I could be wrong) that the buying serial number is 0996 and the selling one is 0551 (or similar). Course I cant tell really..... >>
you are correct, sir.
<< <i>??
It APPEARS (I could be wrong) that the buying serial number is 0996 and the selling one is 0551 (or similar). Course I cant tell really..... >>
I think Jason is just showing an example of how much this gimoke spends on the ungraded cards he cuts up, and then what he brings in on them in a higher grade. I don't believe that he was specifically saying that the card graded was the same one he bought. Just an example of how much he spent on an ungraded version compared to what he brings in on one of his "doctored", BGS 9.5 versions. He is losing out it appears. I really think that the BGS 9.5 only sold for so little because most people are aware of this guy and what he does.
TheRoach
Collecting all bowman chrome rc's from 2002 and 2003
2000 it was hot and people loved 9's and 9.5's,but now that just isn't mainsteam anymore. Why are
people caring about 2001 SPA Pujols'? There is nothing condition sensitive or rare about that card. Who
cares if it is a 9 or a 9.5? The rookie cards that people will always have intrest in are the ones that
Pujols signed.
Haven't we all proven to ourselves with all these UD Exquisite posts that modern collectors don't give
a squat about one persons opinion?
Kall...I know you are a dealer and you are smart and that you follow the rookie market quite well, but
you don't represent the average modern card collector.
The graded market just doesn't mean as much as it did with collectors and everytime someone posts
a thread like this that trust, (for all the grading companies), goes down a little more.
JS
<< <i>how did he get caught?? I am very curious did somebody see the guy trimming a card?? LMK I see this guy at every show and he buys raw and has been getting 9.5's for years when I get 8.5's !It sucks >>
Yes, he did get caught red-handed with the Lebron SP card, and there is a thread here somewhere with all of the details (I recall he pulled the auction as word spread).
<< <i>Im sorry but modern card collectors just don't care that much about graded cards anymore. >>
I'm sorry, but I disagree. The reason that SPA sold for close to a raw copy is two-fold. 1. The seller's bad rep, and 2. BGS's declining rep. I agree that grading is better suited to the vintage card market, but a highly graded modern RC still brings a premium over a raw copy in most cases. A simple example, the Lebron Topps Chrome RC. It sells regularly for $100+ in PSA 10, but you are lucky to get $30-$40 for a raw copy. I know, I have bought and sold many of each variety.
<< <i>can ANYONE help me and find that post? how and when did he get caught? >>
Pick6
Here is the link that I think is being referenced. From my recollection, it could not definitely be determined that it was the same card due to difficulty in seeing the numbers.
Mike
Ill agree graded copies sell for more, and Ill also say, like I did above, that if you collect rookie cards then
grading is an important part of the hobby, but 90% of collectors don't collect bowman chrome baseball
or prospect premieres until a guy gets hot in it! I really think that mainsteam modern collector just wants
to pull a huge hit out of whatever is new. We only have to see what crap the companies are putting out
to see this. As far as BGS and their declining rep, that doesn't help PSA in the least...BGS has owned and
will own the modern card market, anything against them hurts the entire market. Thousands of collectors
aren't going to switch their cards over to PSA just because there are a few bad auctions...they will
just say screw grading and spend their money on more wax.
JS
JS - point well taken about modern. I do agree that the "lottery" angle seems to be driving the modern card market. After all, why else would a company market a $500 pack of 5 cards? I tend to not get so caught up in that, I like to collect modern rookies, and when they are graded (highly, that is) they are easier to flip.
glynparson - I have little respect for BGS, as do most people here. By "owning the market", I think their Beckett brand name has been able to influence a lot of younger, less experienced collectors into thinking that they are the "best". Of course, these collectors buy more modern than vintage, which accounts for the perception of superiority. But, as stories of grading trimmed cards, and backdoor grading deals, become more common knowledge...BGS will continue to slip down the ladder of grading entities.