Registry coming to BGS SOON!

BowChromeProspects · June 7, 2004 9:38AM

They said "within a few months." This is great!! Anyone shifting there business more towards BGS now?

pandrews · June 7, 2004 9:55AM

nope.

A761506 · June 7, 2004 10:01AM

Not a chance.

aconte · June 7, 2004 10:05AM

No.

aconte

mrc32 · June 7, 2004 10:13AM

what ever happened to the GAI registry

speeder · June 7, 2004 10:16AM

theres no logical reason to make that "switch"
lee

schr1st · June 7, 2004 10:16AM

Guess it will be easier to keep track of all of those trimmed graded card collections now...

BowChromeProspects · June 7, 2004 10:24AM

<< Guess it will be easier to keep track of all of those trimmed graded card collections now... >>

I thought that's what the PSA one is for?????

....Moron

1420sports · June 7, 2004 10:31AM

why would anyone get modern stuff graded anyway?

schr1st · June 7, 2004 10:31AM

Same old Shane. Just when I thought you might have a clue...

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<< Guess it will be easier to keep track of all of those trimmed graded card collections now... >>

I thought that's what the PSA one is for?????

....Moron >>

BowChromeProspects · June 7, 2004 10:32AM

<< Same old Shane. Just when I thought you might have a clue...

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<< Guess it will be easier to keep track of all of those trimmed graded card collections now... >>

I thought that's what the PSA one is for?????

....Moron >>

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And why did you have to accuse me of trimming cards? Was that just a test? You need to get real man...

schr1st · June 7, 2004 10:37AM

Um, I didn't (at least this time). I was talking about BGS cards in general. That's ok, I understand that reading comprehension is a bit of a problem for you, Shane.

<< And why did you have to accuse me of trimming cards? Was that just a test? You need to get real man... >>

BowChromeProspects · June 7, 2004 10:38AM

Well if your statement wasn't directed towards me, I take back calling you a moron.

PSA grades just as many trimmed cards as BGS does...that's that, take it for what it's worth.

Jmnesq · June 7, 2004 10:45AM

<< Well if your statement wasn't directed towards me, I take back calling you a moron. PSA grades just as many trimmed cards as BGS does...that's that, take it for what it's worth. >>

Yeah, but PSA also kicks back 10 times as many cards for being trimmed as BGS does.

BowChromeProspects · June 7, 2004 10:49AM

Says who? Prove it...I know for a fact that's not true.

BTW: Just sold 3 Everts at $20 per...LMK if you still want yours or they are going on the block tonight.

SDavid · June 7, 2004 10:50AM

That should help their sales on lower end modern stuff. I've seen BGS 9.5's from tough, condition sensitive sets like '85 donruss sell for ridiculously low prices.

schr1st · June 7, 2004 11:13AM

That's because most collectors are aware now tht BGS grades sheet-cut cards. They killed the high-end BGS graded OPC hockey market due to it.

<< That should help their sales on lower end modern stuff. I've seen BGS 9.5's from tough, condition sensitive sets like '85 donruss sell for ridiculously low prices. >>

ctsoxfan · June 7, 2004 11:46AM

<< Guess it will be easier to keep track of all of those trimmed graded card collections now... >>

This is the first thing I thought of also...and the comment is not directed at anyone in particular. Just go back and read some of the threads here, specific card examples have been pointed out, and BGS will always be suspect as a result.

A761506 · June 7, 2004 1:11PM

I can't see why anyone would use any company for grading other than PSA. Why go for second or third (or fourth - BGS) best when the best costs just slightly more because of their membership fees, but consistently brings the highest returns and will ultimately be a recognizable, trusted name years into the future. Plus, with the reputation BGS has picked up, their modern graded slabs could eventually become as suspect as PRO slabs.

WinPitcher · June 7, 2004 1:40PM

NOPE

nojo · June 7, 2004 2:03PM

For modern, a BGS 9.5 will usually outsell a PSA 10. It seems that Beckett grades a bit tougher.

That being said, I still went with PSA to begin my grading adventures.

habs71 · June 7, 2004 3:57PM

<< Anyone shifting there business more towards BGS now? >>

wolfbear · June 7, 2004 6:21PM

Good news !

The idea of cards being registered continues to grow.
This is great for card collectors, graded card collectors, and the hobby in general.
Personally, I don't collect Beckett graded cards because they grade cards recently cut from sheets.

Also, how would they assign weights to their various grading standards ?
BCCG 10 = BVG 8 = BGS 6 ?????

Any time a major company tries to copy PSA, it's a good thing for all of us that collect PSA graded cards ...

BowChromeProspects · June 7, 2004 8:17PM

I came to these boards for a discussion, and all I got was biased comments! BGS a 4th rate grading company? What the hell?? They outsell a PSA 10, and will continue to do that. Suspect as PRO holders?? HUH!? There has been just as many PSA scandals as there were BGS scandals. WIWAG RING A BELL PEOPLE?! Yeah...thought so.

habs71 · June 7, 2004 8:47PM

<< Anyone shifting there business more towards BGS now? >>

Don't ask the question if you're not prepared for the answers!!

By the way..it's their..not there.

Skip

cspeier1 · June 7, 2004 10:28PM

why would anyone get modern stuff graded anyway?

My only question would be why wait 5,10 or 15 years to holder a card? You risk many things. Lets face it, grading is here to stay. Don't you wish you could've had the chance to holder a card you pulled from a '52 pack back in '52? Think about it...

Chad

WinPitcher · June 7, 2004 11:12PM

I came to these boards for a discussion, and all I got was biased comments!>>>>>>

well, what did you expect? for all of us to yell yippie and begin cracking our cases and submitting to Beckett? The company can't price cards properly what makes you think they can grade properly?

Just trying to discuss the issue.......

envoy98 · June 8, 2004 12:00AM

I have a feeling this might get ugly...

I'll sit back and watch the carnage unfold.

Fabfrank · June 8, 2004 12:37AM

why wait 5,10 or 15 years to holder a card?

I agree Chad. The key is to make sure you at least get a 9 on the card. Anything less is not worth it.

cspeier1 · June 8, 2004 12:41AM

Hey Frank, I used your words.. That's what you told me.. Sorry, It's just such good advice I needed to pass it on..

Chad

Vincecarder · June 8, 2004 1:46AM

I'm sure there are BGS set builders and it will only increase sales at BGS. There are crazy set builders at PSA and I'm sure there will be crazy set builders at BGS. As for BGS being a 4th rate grading service? Have you ever submitted to them? I find their service to be amazing with email updates on my cards every step of the way (when cards arrive, when they are graded, when they are shipped out). I haven't had them send me my cards back late ever unlike with PSA.

I do submit modern only so that may be why I've moved to mainly BGS submissions. I think it's a good move by them to put up a registry. PSA collectors should be happy that some stuff like this is happening. It can drive up the prices of their cards as well as introduce more collectors to set building (since BGS has free pop reports should have alot of people going for sets, commons).

A761506 · June 8, 2004 3:11AM

Just to clarify something that was twisted from what I stated, I do not consider BGS a 4th rate grading service, rather the 4th best of all of them. They are the last of the top tier of services, with PSA being 1, followed by SGC and GAI, then BGS.

I think the set registry they are doing is great for BGS collectors. I submit only to PSA because years and years into the future, the market leader will always prevail as far as retaining the most value.

nojo · June 8, 2004 3:39AM

<< why would anyone get modern stuff graded anyway? >>

I'm doing it purely to sell. You only grade the rookies, of course. I would only buy modern graded if I knew I could flip it and make some money.

I guess some people do it because the cards go into their private collection. Personally, I don't care too much about the condition of my PC cards so long as there's no obvious flaws. A scuffed corner or two doesn't matter to me.

gemint · June 8, 2004 4:03AM

No. Mainly because I don't collect modern cards.

Since Beckett's grading business is heavily weighted toward modern superstar cards, I wonder how successful this registry will be. Perhaps it will lure in collectors to start building modern sets, but I don't see people rushing out to spend thousands of dollars to grade out the remaining 791 cards from their 1985 set (probably already have the McGwire graded) to complete the set. Maybe it will be a hit with the insert collectors.

estang · June 8, 2004 5:20AM

I think this is good news, which may very well increase my chances of purchasing more BVG/BGS products on the secondary market.

I'm committed to completing my Rod Carew 1968 to 1979 Topps regular card issue run in BVG 8.5 and 9.0 and need 1969, 1971, 1973, 1974 and 1976 to complete it. Anyone that can help me out, please PM me.

There's a lot of very good things with BGS/BVG (I won't even refer to the BCCG stupid fiasco). They are, to me:

1. Holders. They have the most protective holder in the industry
2. Consistent and accurate grading.
3. Customer Service. Very very good communications via email and met their on-time guarantee
4. Sub-grading
5. Silver and gold flips
6. Ability to purchase at good prices on ebay in comparison to PSA and SGC

There's a few things I don't like:

1. Rumor that they graded sheet-cut cards. I think 2 of my Carews were sheet-cut from the KardKing on ebay, but I can't say for sure. They appear flawless. Even though it doesn't bother me, it is not something that I find "ideal".
2. Bronze and plain white flips
3. Pricing.

It's a good move for the hobby overall. It will be interesting to see what type of collections will be on their registry.

BowChromeProspects · June 8, 2004 5:30AM

<< Just to clarify something that was twisted from what I stated, I do not consider BGS a 4th rate grading service, rather the 4th best of all of them. They are the last of the top tier of services, with PSA being 1, followed by SGC and GAI, then BGS.

I think the set registry they are doing is great for BGS collectors. I submit only to PSA because years and years into the future, the market leader will always prevail as far as retaining the most value. >>

Well, either way, you are wrong. BGS (at least as in modern cards) outsells all three of them by FAR...especially GAI and SGC. If you are going to send in vintage, I agree, PSA is the way to go. But when it comes to modern cards...anyone who denies the fact that BGS is ahead of the game is out of THEIR minds.

cspeier1 · June 8, 2004 6:08AM

Well, either way, you are wrong. BGS (at least as in modern cards) outsells all three of them by FAR...especially GAI and SGC. If you are going to send in vintage, I agree, PSA is the way to go. But when it comes to modern cards...anyone who denies the fact that BGS is ahead of the game is out of THEIR minds.

I personally think BGS IS BAD FOR THE HOBBY!! Tuffer standards my butt, a book that lets there cards BRING more money. Have you ever thought of that. BGS cards bring more money because BECKETT says so.. Most new people in the hoppy use Beckett as a Bible.. I have ten stories of how I've been wronged by Beckett. Trimmed cards, just for starters. Besides I honestly don't know what you were thinking, this IS the PSA board. I think it's a matter of mind, if you don't mind(BGS morals) then it don't matter. As for myself, never again will I purchased anything in a BGS holder..

Chad

ctsoxfan · June 8, 2004 6:30AM

<< 

<< Just to clarify something that was twisted from what I stated, I do not consider BGS a 4th rate grading service, rather the 4th best of all of them. They are the last of the top tier of services, with PSA being 1, followed by SGC and GAI, then BGS.

I think the set registry they are doing is great for BGS collectors. I submit only to PSA because years and years into the future, the market leader will always prevail as far as retaining the most value. >>

Exactly. Well put, only I might place GAI second, and SGC third. Beckett grading continues to carry some weight, but only on very modern issues, due to their branding and price guide involvement. As more and more scandals come to light however, BGS continues to lose ground to the more reputable companies.

Tabe · June 8, 2004 9:58AM

<< I can't see why anyone would use any company for grading other than PSA. Why go for second or third (or fourth - BGS) best when the best costs just slightly more because of their membership fees >>

For a lot of people, the reason they won't use PSA is something you mentioned - the membership fees. Yes, there are benefits to that membership, but it seems stupid to me (and others) to pay for a membership if all you want is the ability to get stuff graded w/o having to go through a store or somebody else.

Tabe
www.tabe.nu

cspeier1 · June 8, 2004 10:31AM

It's called smart business.. 7 million cards graded I don't think PSA is worried!!!

Chad

A761506 · June 8, 2004 11:37AM

The membership fee isn't really much of a fee moreso than a potential coupon since they include 6 grades of cards of any value. So, theoretically, someone could use the free submissions to submit 6 cards that would require to be submitted under the top service level ($100 each) because of their declared value. So, right there, that covers the membership fee. Plus, you get SMR monthly, which is a very nice magazine, and they throw in a nice book and a calendar. So, there goes the membership argument unless someone was only interested in submitting low value cards. PSA is king and always will be in this business.

yawie99 · June 8, 2004 11:37AM

<< anyone who denies the fact that BGS is ahead of the game is out of THEIR minds. >>

Actually, the above should read, "Anyone who denies the fact that BGS is ahead of the game is out of his or her mind."

cspeier1 · June 8, 2004 11:44AM

Actually, the above should read, "Anyone who denies the fact that BGS is ahead of the game is out of his or her mind."

AHMEN Brother!

Registry coming to BGS SOON!

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