Interesting Registry database problem
CarlWohlforth
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I deleted several of my registry sets last year. These included my proof Jefferson sets and my 1956 proof set. I sold off many of my better proof Jefferson nickels.
But I did keep my 1956 proof Jefferson which is part of my birth year proof set. Recently I bought a dime which would upgrade my 1956 proof set. But I had deleted that set. So I tried entering the coins and got an error message stating that I couldn't enter a coin because it was already in an all time finest set.
When I asked to have my proof set un deleted I was told the only way I could do that was to have all the all-time finest sets with those coins in them removed from the Registry DB. Then I could enter the sets again.
I don't want to do that because I want to keep my all time finest Jeff proof set on the all time finest list. So I am stuck and can't work on my '56 proof set here at PCGS any more. I mention all this so you can think twice before deleting a set you might want to go back to later.
But I did keep my 1956 proof Jefferson which is part of my birth year proof set. Recently I bought a dime which would upgrade my 1956 proof set. But I had deleted that set. So I tried entering the coins and got an error message stating that I couldn't enter a coin because it was already in an all time finest set.
When I asked to have my proof set un deleted I was told the only way I could do that was to have all the all-time finest sets with those coins in them removed from the Registry DB. Then I could enter the sets again.
I don't want to do that because I want to keep my all time finest Jeff proof set on the all time finest list. So I am stuck and can't work on my '56 proof set here at PCGS any more. I mention all this so you can think twice before deleting a set you might want to go back to later.
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I'm sure there has to be a way around the problem. Have you talked with BJ about it?
Russ, NCNE
I had the same thing happen to me with the 1965-1998 Clad Quarters. I had the Virginian Collection #3 finest set and nothing was shaking loose to let me improve so I closed the and sold some of the coins and keep a few of the real low pops. About a year later I started a new set Virginian Collection now the all time finest but was unable to enter my low pop coins because they were listed in the other set so I signed my wife up to PCGS and she was able to use the coins. PCGS policy is once you enter a set and close it you cannot use any coin in that set but anybody else can if they have it in their possession.
PCGS THE ONLY WAY TO GO
Ed
If anyone at anytime could add a coin to a set they've deleted, that wouldn't be a problem if they still owned the coins. If they've sold all or part of them, that's where I see a potential problem.
Essentially, you could build a set by buying coins, adding them to your set, then selling them. Specifically, if you needed a very pricey coin in MS65 to replace an MS63, you could delete the set, sell it, and buy the MS65. You would then use the cert #s to build a new set with the MS65. Thereby updating your set.
I'm not suggesting you're wanting to do this Carl, I just see a potential flaw with PCGS allowing sets to be updated this way. Also, if you did make the upgrade, wouldn't your set remain on the All-Time Finest list?
If you do not have many sets, delete the coins from the sets and add then to new sets in the new account (like you sold the coins to someone else).
delete the original account (or just change the email to a 2nd new email address)
change the email of the new account to the one of the old account.
Bit of a pain, but there is a way around everything
My Complete PROOF Lincoln Cent with Major Varieties(1909-2015)Set Registry
I do still have the coins that are in the 1956 proof set and could produce them if that was the concern.
Of course it would cost you some $$ too.
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<< <i>I have a Morgan PL set that is comprised entirely of PL examples but the percentage PCGS shows is 80% PL ~ go figure
ElectricEye,
My guess is this is a "mechanical error". If you look at your PL Morgans, I'm sure they all say PL. However, if you look at the "coin number", one of them didn't get assigned correctly. For 80% of the coins, likely there is a five digit coin number, all starting with the same digit. For the other 20%, likely there is only a four digit coin number. For those 20%, the Registry doesn't think they are proof like, even though it states that they are. Please take a look and let me know.
This is all a "theory" based on my experience with a "Cameo" coin, that did not receive cameo credit in the Registry, although the holder and the Registry said it was Cameo. It had only a four digit coin number that didn't start with an 8. If your problem is the same, contact PCGS and they'll fix the "mechanical error" for free.
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