Let's play the "I bet these are fake" game...

DominusDeus

Had these for a long time. 99.999% certain they're fake. Just looking for opinions on them, and how they were faked (probably poured lead). If they're real, they most certainly don't look it...

airplanenut

They do look quite porous--I'd agree probably cast metal.

Myqqy

That's quite a nose that that guy has in the first coin- did the world really have rulers that ugly back then?? The first coin looks a lot different than the last two- less porous and more like a struck coin. Do you have specs on genuine examples, or photos of real examples to compare diagnostics??

DominusDeus

Nope, I sure don't. I don't own anything that valuable OR old.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>That's quite a nose that that guy has in the first coin- did the world really have rulers that ugly back then?? The first coin looks a lot different than the last two- less porous and more like a struck coin. Do you have specs on genuine examples, or photos of real examples to compare diagnostics?? >>




<< <i>Nope, I sure don't. I don't own anything that valuable OR old. >>



Charles III of Spain did indeed have a big schnozzola on him. Those eight-real coins are actually quite affordable. I just bought two, which should be here any day. You can get 'em for $25 and up. Think I paid thirty-something for each of mine.

I have a genuine 1783 four-real piece (holed, of course) on my Holey Coin Vest. You can see it in the middle of this picture, though the pic isn't really big enough for comparison purposes. A detecting buddy of mine found that coin near Saint Augustine, Florida. I've dug some of the smaller denominations, myself.



You think ol' Charlie the Third was ugly with his big nose, you should see the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I, who is better known as "Leopold the Hogmouth", for obvious reasons! He had quite a jaw on him.



(BTW, low-denomination coins of Leopold the Hogmouth from the late 1600's are also quite affordable. I had a "holey" example of one of those on my vest, too, but gave it to Dog97 for his "xx97" collection, since it was dated 1697. The picture above was borrowed from someone else.)

And yes, all three of those coins Dominus posted look like cast counterfeits. The third coin, the 1745-Lima British crown, is a blatant fake. The details are just too soft, and as Jeremy mentioned, porous-looking.

DominusDeus

That pic with the holed coins makes me want to cry. And it perhaps makes baby Jesus cry...

As for being affordable, I have 9 bucks in my wallet, and that's it. And with gas at $2+ per gallon, it's all gas money. I can't afford anything at the moment.

lordmarcovan

What is your oldest-dated coin, Dominus?

DominusDeus

1798 US large cent. Can be seen here.

Also the only US coin I have from the 1700's. Oldest 1800's i have is an 1805 half cent (which I hope is the small 5 variety, because it has stems, and the 5 doesn't touch the bust).

lordmarcovan

Hmm. I was gonna see if I could set your date back with a freebie, but all my cheapo or freebie material right now is later than that. You're in the 1700's, at least!

DominusDeus

That's one of my goals is to get some stuff from the 1700's, but they're so dang expensive in about any grade better than hat 1798 cent. I managed to get it for $40 raw on ebay a few months ago.

DominusDeus

This page I made a few weeks ago shows at least one example (in most cases, the ONLY example) of the type of coins I have (if there is no link to the type of coin, I do not have one). That's honestly the majority of my collection (minus the modern stuff).

I like silver quarters and large cents a lot for some reason, though I only have 8 silver quarters and 4 large cents. 2 more (well, more, but I'm not too interested in every variety of them) quarters I'd like to get. One is in the ~$50 range for low grade, the other..... haha, I've never even had that much money at once to even fathom getting the first type of quater, same for the earlier large cents.

lordmarcovan

You really need to step outside the US stuff if you want affordable coins from the 1700's. You can get Spanish silver or British and French copper for a song. Or you could-people are starting to wake up to this now. The catalog prices on that stuff is ridiculously cheap, sometimes as low as two bucks for the copper and five or six for the silver, in the lower grades.



PS- nice work on the type set in progress, though the pics load really slowly.

DominusDeus

Not really interested in foreign coins, except maybe very old Japanese or Chinese coinage, and some Canadian coins. The only foreign coins that would interest me would be pre-mid 1600's English and Medieval coinage. Particuarlly something with Kind Edward I on it, as he is (supposedly) on my family tree (22nd Great Grandfather), but no idea how accurate my family tree is after a certain point. Got some other kings on there, such as King Louis I of France.

Yea, my cable upstream bandwidth sucks ass, not to mention I'm uploading stuff to people right now, too. Limited to 15 kBps upstream.

lordmarcovan

I bought a low grade Canterbury mint medieval silver penny of Edward I in a bulk bin at the 2003 FUN show, for five bucks. Resold it for fifteen. It helps that ol' "Longshanks" was the villain in the Braveheart movie. Pop Culture tie-ins to history never hurt, when you're sellin' old coins.

DominusDeus

If you haven't noticed yet, age is a big thing with me. I like OLD stuff. I've almost no interest in 1900's US coins anymore, I want more 1800's stuff, and obviouslly, 1700's.

DominusDeus

<< <i>I bought a low grade Canterbury mint medieval silver penny of Edward I in a bulk bin at the 2003 FUN show, for five bucks. Resold it for fifteen. It helps that ol' "Longshanks" was the villain in the Braveheart movie. Pop Culture tie-ins to history never hurt, when you're sellin' old coins. >>



Awesome. Did it manage to have a date on it, or nay?

Don't think I have anything that has a pop-culture history tie-in... I'd have to really think to know if I did.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>Did it manage to have a date on it, or nay? >>



English coins were not dated until 1552 in the reign of Edward VI, but you can usually date them by other diagnostics. Edward I is actually a pretty easy-to-find and relatively inexpensive monarch.

Oh- you just mentioned old Chinese coins. I have a Chinese cast bronze 1-cash from the Northern Sung Dynasty, Emperor Jen Tsung (tien-sheng yuan-pao), struck between 1023 and 1031 A.D., which I'll sell you for five bucks and an SASE if you want, sometime when you ain't scraping for gas money (I know how that is- I've got less than an eighth of a tank of gas in my big van right now, and two bucks in my wallet.)

DominusDeus

I know SAE is Silver American Eagle, not sure what SASE is, unless it's the same thing. In which case, I could probably do that (but not at the current time).

Given their condition, I think these two are my oldest ones, but no idea what exactally they are. I can only read a few japanese kanji, yet alone chinese (though the numbers are much similar, and i can recognise 1, 2, 3, and 10.)

lordmarcovan

SASE= self-addressed, stamped envelope.

Your linkie no workie. If they're Japanese, I can be of little or no assistance, anyway.

DominusDeus

Odd... the link works for me.. I'm pretty certain they're Chinese.

With all the coin talk.. no wonder I missed the SASE thing. rofl.