FAKE Kennedy Error in ACG Slab

RotatedRainbows

These FAKE Kennedy Rotated Die error coins have been making the rounds, Kennedy's are seen more often with Fake rotated dies then any other denomination. They are usually raw but here is one in a AGC SLAB. They are manufactured using the same method in which they make two headed coins (magician coins), you can view info here FAKE Errors. This is a bad example as part of the word STATES and OF were cutoff while they were making the reverse small enough to fit into the back of the obverse.

DHeath

Man, that's ugly.

Craton

Wow!

jmcu12

Hey, can anyone involved in the ACG lawsuit use this in their defense?

ursabear

WOW.

Is that a thin line all the way around the rim, just on the inside? If it is, that's not good for the hobby. I wish people wouldn't do that.

LanLord

Shakin my head.

Unbelieveable

sTONER

ACG= F.U.B.A.R.

bearcave

nOoBiEeE

What the...

XpipedreamR

Wow...I'm actually embarassed for them

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>WOW.

Is that a thin line all the way around the rim, just on the inside? If it is, that's not good for the hobby. I wish people wouldn't do that. >>



Yep it sure is, that is always the first place you want to look on any rotated die coin to see if it might be fake. I had a guy send me about a dozen Kennedy's last year and all were FAKE, since then I have seen at least three of those coins show up on Fleabay for sale by different people. Not 100% certain if that AGC coin is one of them but it sure looks familiar.

airplanenut

Maybe you should stick to the rainbow morgans Those are more easily caught as AT

Theop

<< <i>Hey, can anyone involved in the ACG lawsuit use this in their defense? >>


Seriously.

Maybe you can get this reslabbed eventually with the "Trial Evidence" pedigree.

RotatedRainbows

Unfortunately I did not win the lottery so I cannot afford to buy the high priced Rainbows (oh I miss the good old days) so I am stuck collecting error coins nobody wants.

airplanenut

<< <i>Maybe you can get this reslabbed eventually with the "Trial Evidence" pedigree.
>>

It would make more sense to keep it in the holder, then have an expert tell the jury what's wrong

ms70

That's incredible! If someone really *needs* it speak up so nobody runs it up on you. The reason I say that is because it's so
unbelievable that I may bid on it for a few bucks just to have for a good laugh keepsake! IF nobody here really needs it.

astrorat

I plan on bidding on it later as I need it for my numismatics courses at UT-Austin. I love showing the students these kind of "interesting" pieces.

Lane

flaminio

Bochiman

The fact that this state this "Please do not ask us to e-mail or send you photographs of items." in their auctions tells me that they get asked a lot and it is likely a lot of questionable items.
Even looking at it from those picks, I would think it was real. The rev just looks "funky".

Again, I am glad I don't have ACG in my holdings...even for an example right now.....don't need no coin virus infecting my nice lil coins

lordmarcovan

This is the real danger of fourth-tier or nonentity grading companies, more so than simple overgrading. Most collectors with even a little experience can spot overgrading, but a company that allows fake and altered coins into its holders is much more dangerous than one that simply overgrades. (For example, PCI- I wouldn't always trust their grading, but I would usally trust them to spot a fake.)

My one and only ACG purchase was when I tried to play the "buy the coin and not the holder" game, by purchasing an obviously UNDERgraded Seated half in an ACG EF45 holder (the coin was a choice AU, technically). I cracked it and sent it to ANACS, and sure enough, they gave it AU details, but netted it down for cleaning and some tooling damage I hadn't spotted. I had only myself to blame.

Wingsrule

I think I will buy this for Eric since he sold me some nice sample slabs.

Conder101

Approach this slab with caution if you plan on using it for "evidence". There is a possibility that the slab has been altered. The coin and inserts are in the slab backwards from the way ACG does them.

Russ

<< <i>The coin and inserts are in the slab backwards from the way ACG does them. >>



I'll be damned. I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out, but the embossed lettering "ACG" that is normally on the lower right obverse is located on the reverse of this one.

Russ, NCNE

K6AZ

<< <i>Approach this slab with caution if you plan on using it for "evidence". There is a possibility that the slab has been altered. The coin and inserts are in the slab backwards from the way ACG does them. >>



Not true. They have been known to slab coins backwards. I own several of them, including this one:

nwcs

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAA!!

drainbamage

I think they should make a rule......

"No Drinking while grading!"

Russ

<< <i>I think they should make a rule......

"No Drinking while grading!" >>



I'm sorry, but I can't support that rule. If it were implemented at PCGS, they never would have graded my 1869 Two Cent Piece as an MS65BN pop 1/0 coin.

Russ, NCNE

SarasotaFrank

That's not an error - it just has a cool feature - you can adjust the number of degrees of rotation any time you want.

It demonstrates the versatility of the Kennedy series.

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>

<< <i>I think they should make a rule......

"No Drinking while grading!" >>



I'm sorry, but I can't support that rule. If it were implemented at PCGS, they never would have graded my 1869 Two Cent Piece as an MS65BN pop 1/0 coin.

Russ, NCNE >>



Don't you mean they would bodybag your 1869 2¢ piece if they implemented that rule???

Frankcoins

It is a magic trick called "hopping half"

If you tap this coin the half dollar reverse pops off and there
is an old style English penny on the other side of the half dollar
reverse. With this rigged coin and a normal English penny, this trick
can be performed:

http://www.calmagic.com/hoppinghalf.mov

Russ

<< <i>Don't you mean they would bodybag your 1869 2¢ piece if they implemented that rule??? >>



They covered that, too.

Russ, NCNE

Aethelred

This is shocking even for ACG! That would never have made it by POGS!

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>This is shocking even for ACG! That would never have made it by POGS! >>

Aethelred

Russ

HMM...seller ended the auction to sell to the high bidder.

Russ, NCNE

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>HMM...seller ended the auction to sell to the high bidder.

Russ, NCNE >>



Russ you should check your spelling closer as you made a typo, the corrected statment should read

seller ended the auction to sell to A high bidder

SemperFI

So, who is "icucme2"? Is that someone here?

Hey RR, did you see this auction yesterday? Linkage

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>So, who is "icucme2"? Is that someone here?

Hey RR, did you see this auction yesterday? Linkage >>



Yes when the bidding was $50 but now it is at $250?? I bought two of these of Ebay raw about 1 1/2 years ago, one is rotated 140°cw the other is rotated 130°ccw (I paid $48 & $52 for them) now they both reside in NGC MS64 holders. It appears that piece is only rotated about 50° so I cannot believe the price.

Dog97

There's no excuse for that to have slipped by other than gross imcompetence. Anybody can see the line around the rim and a grader/authenticater should have spotted that easily.

K6AZ

There is another word for it Dog. And the word begins with F.

Conder101

<< <i>Not true. They have been known to slab coins backwards. I own several of them, including this one: >>


Having the coin backwards isn't unusual and many services will do that on request. It just strikes me as odd that the labels are in the slab backwards. ACG slabs, like PCGS slabs have a front and a back side. This ACG slab has the front label on the back shell of the slab. Now it could be an error, but I would be suspect about the slab until I had the chance to examine it.

flaminio

Auction ended early. Won by an RCCer.