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puckheads and c56 imp tobacco collectors, please read:

check out the dunderdale and bernier cards currently on ebay
( would some knowledgable person please reply with the links ).

how in the h*ll are those 2 cards psa 4's nq? one has a bleed thru stain
and the other has some ugly paper loss. wtf!

when i compare my the 4's and 5's in my set registry,
i can't help but wonder if i'm wasting my time and resources on psa
grading. if those cards are 4's , than maybe i should X over mine
into 7's and 8's.

pathetic work psa!


i ain't often right
but I've never been wrong
it seldom turns out the way
it does in the song
once in a while
you get shown the light
in the strangest of places
if you look at it right

Comments

  • PSA mainly looks at the corners and centering The only real time the surface has anything to do with the grade is when there is a wrinkle or crease. From the Big three graders (BVG SGC PSA) BVG (OR BGS?) takes the surface into consideration.
  • to add links, when replying to this message click on the http button at the top and paste the internet address of the auction. The click twice. A link should show up then.
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    welcome back.
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  • Ylder

    Are those your cards that Neil is listing for you ?

    Randy
  • Perhaps the grader was so busy looking at the corners and centering, he overlooked that big flap of paper mssing from the guy's head
    The first person in the PSA universe to complete the 1969 OPC
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  • grilloj39grilloj39 Posts: 370 ✭✭


    << <i>PSA mainly looks at the corners and centering The only real time the surface has anything to do with the grade is when there is a wrinkle or crease. From the Big three graders (BVG SGC PSA) BVG (OR BGS?) takes the surface into consideration. >>



    You can't be serious...of course PSA takes into consideration such surface issues like paper loss, focus, printing, scratches, etc,. These are all issues PSA considers when assigning a grade to a card.

    Here's PSA grading standards from grades 4, 3, 2, and 1.

    VG-EX 4: Very Good-Excellent.

    Corners may be slightly rounded. Surface wear is noticeable but modest. May have light scuffing or light scratches. Some original gloss will be retained. Borders may be slightly off-white. A light crease may be visible. Centering must be 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back.
    VG 3: Very Good.

    A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
    GOOD 2: Good.

    A PSA Good 2 card's corners show accelerated rounding and surface wear is starting to become obvious. A good card may have scratching, scuffing, light staining, or chipping of enamel on obverse. There may be several creases. Original gloss may be completely absent. Card may show considerable discoloration. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
    PR-FR 1: Poor to Fair.

    A PSA PR-FR 1 card's corners will show extreme wear, possibly affecting framing of picture. Surface of card will show advanced stages of wear, including scuffing, scratching, pitting, chipping and staining. Picture will possibly be quite out of register and borders may have become brown and dirty. May have one or more heavy creases. A Poor card may be missing one or more small pieces, have major creasing and extreme discoloration or dirtiness throughout. Card may show noticeable warping. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
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  • I don't have any extra c cards right now Randy. I sold all my lower grade ones and kept the highest grade for my sets. I have a few orders of my ungraded C55/6/7 at PSA right now including that SGC 3 c56 Lester Patrick that had the big chunk of paper missing. I can't remember that seller's name, but I got him to go much lower on that card. I feel I received my money's worth on it. I should find out in a few days what it crosses over to. Randy, I would like to apologize to you directly here for all the stupidity I have caused you. I would still like to somehow make it up to you. Do you want me to send you money, or cards, or anything like that? You may private message me if you don't want the other message board members to see.
  • Grillo, I appreciate your point, but this is my experience with PSA. Knowing this, I have crossed over some cards from other places that were less than 8 according to their standards and came back PSA 8. This is from my experiences, not from what I hear.
  • Murcerfan, was that a welcome back for me or coachvinny?
  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PSA mainly looks at the corners and centering The only real time the surface has anything to do with the grade is when there is a wrinkle or crease. From the Big three graders (BVG SGC PSA) BVG (OR BGS?) takes the surface into consideration. >>



    I disagree. I've submitted the Russell in my set, which will soon give way to a PSA 5, twice only to get hammered with a 2 both times. I've never been able to spot anything flagrantly wrong with it other than a modest amount of what I'm assuming is glue-related discoloration on back. It certainly looks better than the staining on the Dunderdale.

    On the other issue, I don't think PSA is real consistent with paper loss. I'd say they're typically harder on it than SGC, but I haven't noticed any distinct grading pattern based on degree of paper loss.
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  • Ylder

    An apology is fine by me nothing extra is needed

    Thanks

    Randy
  • It's always possible that they may be more lenient with those two c56's because there haven't been too many graded. In my opinion, from the scan, your Russell would grade a 3. the discoloration, corner wear and off centering make it a 3 in my opinion. That is my opinion, don't everybody go crazy calling me wrong. Opinions are never wrong, they are opinions, not facts.


  • << <i>Ylder

    An apology is fine by me nothing extra is needed

    Thanks

    Randy >>




    What was the problem that I caused again? I sent the cards out extremely late?
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    Here are the scans - did not see them anywhere else on the messages:

    Dunderdale C56

    Bernier

    The stain on the Dunderdale, even if the rest of the card is perfect should not get it anything more than a 2.
    The paper loss on the Bernier might be a printing problem. I have seen a couple, including a C56 Russell EXMT 6 I own that has a similar (though far smaller) printing flaw and not a paper loss. Still that is an awfully big oversight.
  • I honestly can't see 3 graders missing that. They must have felt that that was the grade, if the 2 graders and 3rd person to pass it thru are true at PSA.
  • based on this , i will no longer be attempting to complete a c56 set or my fledgling
    55-56 quaker oats sets. i have 2 c56s ( decary and glass ) and 2 quaker oats (
    geoffrion and talbot ) at psa now. based on the dunderdale and the bernier on
    ebay now, they should come back 7's or 8's. yeah, in my dreams.image

    when they come back ( should be early next week ), i will be selling them off
    as well as the other cards listed in my set registries. included will be a 55-56 jacques
    plante rc # 50 Quaker Oats psa 5 which i never listed in the registry.

    i will post all cards i'm selling on the vintage board next week, then if necessary
    on ebay.

    i ain't often right
    but I've never been wrong
    it seldom turns out the way
    it does in the song
    once in a while
    you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places
    if you look at it right
  • goodriddance189goodriddance189 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭
    sell me your Plante.......?


    PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE?
  • gr189,

    an offer would be appreciated

    vinny
    i ain't often right
    but I've never been wrong
    it seldom turns out the way
    it does in the song
    once in a while
    you get shown the light
    in the strangest of places
    if you look at it right
  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    Oh mah god. I just now saw that Bernier. Sick. And I mean the bad sick, not the good sick. Even if there's no paper loss, I don't see how it could've avoided a PD qualifier even at the VG-EX grade. I could maybe handle the grade if the missing piece were on the periphery, but that frontal lobe tumor is bad.

    Also, I didn't think my Russell was that spectacular, but I definitely thought a 3 at worst with a reasonable shot at a 4. Speaking of it, I'll send you a scan Will or you can still see it in my set.

    Lastly, if you're serious Vinny, I'll drop you a line a little later.
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  • Coachvinny, I would buy any c56's you have that would upgrade my set. I don't have any quaker oats, but have thought about getting in on them. I remember a while back you said you had some 1966 topps usa test cards. I would be interested in those if you ever eant to unload them.

    I would pay you well for them
  • What makes these two overgrades funny is that all you see on ebay is "graded 7, should have been an 8" You never hear "graded an 8, should have been a 7" I guess this is how the Paradox of PSA grading evens itself out.
  • Coach Vinny,

    PM sent. E-mail me at raydbonz@aol.com if you would be so kind.

    Thanks,

    Bill
  • mudflap02mudflap02 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭
    GoodRiddance-
    Hopefully you can talk him out of that Plante card- I know you've had your eye on it for on a while. Wouldn't it be the irony of ironies if that card went to Ylder instead?
  • mudflap, why the constant hits against me, when I have done absolutely zero to you?
  • mudflap02mudflap02 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭
    PM sent
  • mudflap02mudflap02 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭
    Nothing slanderous said or implied- I'm just pointing out that Will had been itching for this card forever and to lose out on it period would suck.
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