I Am Stunned - Just Recieved My Grades From Psa

Robby · May 20, 2004 9:27AM

PSA Order Status for Submission # 555258

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 11851325 1969 TOPPS 25 ROY WHITE N/A 5
2 11851326 1969 TOPPS 67 BILL STONEMAN N/A 8
3 11851327 1969 TOPPS 104 STEVE BLASS N/A 8
4 11851328 1969 TOPPS 121 JOE GRZENDA N/A 8
5 11851329 1969 TOPPS 127 KEVIN COLLINS N/A 8
6 11851330 1969 TOPPS 212 TOM TRESH N/A 8
7 11851331 1969 TOPPS 245 ED CHARLES N/A 8
8 11851332 1969 TOPPS 292 AL DOWNING N/A 8
9 11851333 1969 TOPPS 447 RALPH HOUK LAST NAME IN WHITE 9
10 11851334 1963 FLEER 11 DICK DONOVAN N/A 8
11 11851335 1963 FLEER 13 JERRY KINDALL N/A 7
12 11851336 1963 FLEER 51 JOHN CALLISON N/A 8
13 11851337 1964 TOPPS 14 DODGERS ROOKIES D.NEN/N.WILLHITE 7
14 11851338 1964 TOPPS 28 CLAUDE OSTEEN N/A 8
15 11851339 1964 TOPPS 32 DEAN CHANCE N/A 8
16 11851340 1964 TOPPS 39 HANK AGUIRRE N/A 8
17 11851341 1964 TOPPS 44 DUKE CARMEL N/A 8
18 11851342 1964 TOPPS 48 BOB PERRY N/A 7
19 11851343 1964 TOPPS 57 TIM HARKNESS N/A 7
20 11851344 1964 TOPPS 63 JOHNNY ORSINO N/A 7
21 11851345 1964 TOPPS 91 BOB BAILEY N/A 8
22 11851346 1964 TOPPS 176 TRACY STALLARD N/A 8
23 11851347 1964 TOPPS 183 RON TAYLOR N/A 8
24 11851348 1964 TOPPS 194 JOHN GORYL N/A 8
25 11851349 1964 TOPPS 208 WES COVINGTON N/A 6
26 11851350 1964 TOPPS 211 JIM COKER N/A 8
27 11851351 1964 TOPPS 220 DICK ELLSWORTH N/A 8
28 11851352 1964 TOPPS 235 RON HUNT N/A 8
29 11851353 1964 TOPPS 238 ROY McMILLAN N/A 8
30 11851354 1964 TOPPS 258 GARRY ROGGENBURK N/A 8
31 11851355 1964 TOPPS 259 HARRY BRIGHT N/A 8
32 11851356 1964 TOPPS 276 JOSE TARTABULL N/A 8
33 11851357 1964 TOPPS 292 MIKE ROARKE N/A 8
34 11851358 1964 TOPPS 297 KEN MacKENZIE N/A 7
35 11851359 1964 TOPPS 304 BOB JOHNSON N/A 9
36 11851360 1964 TOPPS 312 TIGERS ROOKIES F.FISHER/F.GLADDING 8
37 11851361 1964 TOPPS 317 AL SMITH N/A 8
38 11851362 1964 TOPPS 344 PHIL LINZ N/A 8
39 11851363 1964 TOPPS 382 WES STOCK N/A 8
40 11851364 1964 TOPPS 388 ATHLETICS ROOKIES J.O'DONOGHUE/G.WILLIAMS 8
41 11851365 1964 TOPPS 421 CAMILO CARREON N/A 8
42 11851366 1964 TOPPS 442 PUMPSIE GREEN N/A 8
43 11851367 1964 TOPPS 479 CARDINALS ROOKIES D.BAKENHASTER/J.LEWIS 7
44 11851368 1964 TOPPS 482 PHILLIES ROOKIES J.BRIGGS/D.CATER 8
45 11851369 1964 TOPPS 498 DAVE STENHOUSE N/A 8
46 11851370 1964 TOPPS 502 ANGELS ROOKIE STARS B.KNOOP/B.LEE 8
47 11851371 1964 TOPPS 499 INDIANS ROOKIES C.SALMON/G.SEYFRIED 7
48 11851372 1964 TOPPS 516 TWINS ROOKIES J.ARRIGO/D.SIEBLER 6
49 11851373 1964 TOPPS 583 TITO FRANCONA N/A 8
50 11851374 1964 TOPPS 514 JIM HICKMAN N/A 8

Date Received: 04/13/2004
Date of Grades Posted: 05/20/2004
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

Overall , I am extremely happy with my grades !!!!!!! I submitted the best low pop commons that I had from my 1969 set hoping for all 8's ! I MUST OF REALLY MISSED SOMETHING on the #25 Roy White card........but the Psa 9 Ralph Houk made up for it ! They are listing it as a last name in white , but I thought I submitted a last name in yellow ! Will contact them to make sure as the yellow is really low in the pop reports if they are correct !.....Was hoping for all 8's , but I submitted some '64's that I knew would probably get a 7........requested NQ's on my submission ! Disappointed about the two 6's in the 1964's , as I thought nothing worse than a 7 on my submission ! ..........I want to mention that I bought six 1964 cards raw from Mickey's , advertised as nm/mt , submitted four of the six and recieved all Psa 8's ! Thanks Mickey ! ............Robby

DirtyHarry · May 20, 2004 9:34AM

Congrats...nice to read about a thumbs up!

CON40 · May 20, 2004 9:36AM

Very nice submission... great to see a defintie consistency in the numbers... probably a combination of good selection on your part and fair grading on PSA's part... Well done!

ZodiacMindwarp · May 20, 2004 9:37AM

Very nice job on the 1969 Tommy Tresh; that is one tough card! Congrats overall.

magellan · May 20, 2004 9:56AM

Very nice submission Robby ! One thing on the 6's....it's possible they may have been 8's with an OC or PD qualifier and your requesting NQ knocked them down to 6. Just a thought. Are you holding on to the '69's?

Dave

Thegradinator · May 20, 2004 10:35AM

I would be happy with a submission like that.

DirtyHarry · May 20, 2004 10:39AM

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MorrellMan · May 20, 2004 11:07AM

Good going Robby

I have a stack of '64s I've been thinking of sending in; you may have helped make up my mind.

I oughta add that I'm pretty happy with my latest submission results as welll!

Cheers!

ctsoxfan · May 20, 2004 11:09AM

That does seem like a very consistently graded submission. Very nice job!

Thegradinator · May 20, 2004 11:24AM

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Robby · May 20, 2004 12:20PM

Thanks for the kind words ! Magellan , the 69's are going in my Master set Registry , as all of the cards that I submit to Psa !............Robby

The53Kid · May 20, 2004 12:44PM

Robby,

Congrats on a very nice submission. I also recently got back a submission of 60's cards and was very pleased. But I went though them 3 times and only sent in the best of the best I had. I really eyed them up well on the 62's, 12 out of 13 got an 8. And I got a few lower pop 9's from 68. Check it out....

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 11848722 1960 TOPPS 93 ART SCHULT N/A 8
2 11848723 1960 TOPPS 117 TOM BORLAND ROOKIE STAR 8
3 11848724 1960 TOPPS 122 DON DILLARD ROOKIE STAR 7
4 11848725 1960 TOPPS 125 DICK ELLSWORTH ROOKIE STAR 8
5 11848726 1960 TOPPS 137 LOU KLIMCHOCK ROOKIE STAR 8
6 11848727 1960 TOPPS 139 CARL MATHIAS ROOKIE STAR 7
7 11848728 1960 TOPPS 198 JERRY LYNCH N/A 8
8 11848729 1960 TOPPS 349 MOE DRABOWSKY N/A 8ST
9 11848730 1961 TOPPS 149 BOB OLDIS N/A 8ST
10 11848731 1961 TOPPS 187 BILLY KLAUS N/A 7
11 11848732 1961 TOPPS 322 BILL KUNKEL N/A 8
12 11848733 1961 TOPPS 358 EARL AVERILL N/A 7
13 11848734 1961 TOPPS 454 PUMPSIE GREEN N/A 7
14 11848735 1961 TOPPS 503 TITO FRANCONA N/A 8
15 11848736 1962 TOPPS 4 JOHN DeMERIT N/A 8
16 11848737 1962 TOPPS 26 CHRIS CANNIZZARO N/A 8
17 11848738 1962 TOPPS 44 DON TAUSSIG N/A 8
18 11848739 1962 TOPPS 49 HAL JONES N/A 8
19 11848740 1962 TOPPS 120 BOB PURKEY N/A 8
20 11848741 1962 TOPPS 121 BILLY HITCHCCK N/A 8
21 11848742 1962 TOPPS 189 DICK HALL N/A 8
22 11848743 1962 TOPPS 241 JOHNNY KUCKS N/A 8
23 11848744 1962 TOPPS 255 JUAN PIZARRO N/A 8
24 11848745 1962 TOPPS 369 TED BOWSFIELD N/A 7
25 11848746 1962 TOPPS 404 TIM HARKNESS N/A 8
26 11848747 1962 TOPPS 457 LOU CLINTON N/A 8
27 11848748 1962 TOPPS 563 KEN ASPROMONTE N/A 8
28 11848749 1968 TOPPS 42 LARRY HANEY N/A 8
29 11848750 1968 TOPPS 51 BOB LOCKER N/A 9
30 11848751 1968 TOPPS 66 CASEY COX WHITE TEAM LETTERS 8
31 11848752 1968 TOPPS 68 RON WILLIS N/A 7
32 11848753 1968 TOPPS 112 WOODY FRYMAN N/A 7
32 11848754 1968 TOPPS 112 WOODY FRYMAN N/A 8
33 11848755 1968 TOPPS 121 JIMMIE HALL N/A 8
34 11848756 1968 TOPPS 124 NATE OLIVER N/A 7
35 11848757 1968 TOPPS 135 PAUL BLAIR N/A 7
36 11848758 1968 TOPPS 143 PETE CIMINO N/A 8
37 11848759 1968 TOPPS 159 DON KESSINGER N/A 8
38 11848760 1968 TOPPS 161 NORM MILLER N/A 7
39 11848761 1968 TOPPS 169 BOB BOLIN N/A 8
40 11848762 1968 TOPPS 133 FRED WHITFIELD N/A 8
41 11848763 1968 TOPPS 171 DON NOTTEBART N/A 8
42 11848764 1968 TOPPS 179 BILL STONEMAN N/A 8
43 11848765 1968 TOPPS 181 JERRY ZIMMERMAN N/A 8
44 11848766 1968 TOPPS 183 BOB KENNEDY N/A 8
45 11848767 1968 TOPPS 184 LOU JOHNSON N/A 8
46 11848768 1968 TOPPS 185 TOM HALLER N/A 8
47 11848769 1968 TOPPS 187 SONNY JACKSON N/A 8
48 11848770 1968 TOPPS 192 CHECKLIST 197-283 N/A 8
49 11848771 1968 TOPPS 197 LARRY BROWN N/A 8
50 11848772 1968 TOPPS 252 ANGELS TEAM N/A 8
51 11848773 1968 TOPPS 253 DICK HUGHES N/A 7
52 11848774 1968 TOPPS 266 PAUL POPOVICH N/A 8
53 11848775 1968 TOPPS 275 TIM McCARVER N/A 8
54 11848776 1968 TOPPS 284 JOHN BRIGGS N/A 8
55 11848777 1968 TOPPS 279 BILL HANDS N/A 8
56 11848778 1968 TOPPS 295 SONNY SIEBERT N/A 8
57 11848779 1968 TOPPS 312 CURT BLEFARY N/A 8
58 11848780 1968 TOPPS 322 DAVE BOSWELL N/A 8
59 11848781 1968 TOPPS 356 CHECKLIST 371-457 N/A 8
60 11848782 1968 TOPPS 357 LEN GABRIELSON N/A 9OC
61 11848783 1968 TOPPS 389 JAY JOHNSTONE N/A 8
62 11848784 1968 TOPPS 392 GRADY HATTON N/A 8
63 11848785 1968 TOPPS 395 CAMILO PASCUAL N/A 8
64 11848786 1968 TOPPS 400 MIKE McCORMICK YELLOW TEAM LETTERS 9
65 11848787 1968 TOPPS 406 DICK ELLSWORTH N/A 9
66 11848788 1968 TOPPS 421 RON TAYLOR N/A 8
67 11848789 1968 TOPPS 424 WHITE SOX TEAM N/A 9
68 11848790 1968 TOPPS 428 VIC ROZNOVSKY N/A 8
69 11848791 1968 TOPPS 434 RICARDO JOSEPH N/A 8
70 11848792 1968 TOPPS 443 JOE AZCUE N/A 8
71 11848793 1968 TOPPS 455 RICO CARTY N/A 8
72 11848794 1968 TOPPS 567 CLAY DALRYMPLE N/A 8
73 11848795 1968 TOPPS 589 TWINS ROOKIES R.CLARK/M.OGIER 8

purelyPSA · May 20, 2004 1:44PM

I thought there was a rule now in place that no 60s card could receive an 8...

CON40 · May 20, 2004 1:46PM

purelypsa;

I think that was a theorem offered forth by scottsusor... seems to have been proven wrong on these submissions.

koby · May 20, 2004 2:16PM

scottsusor will not win the grading challenge at the national

scottsusor · May 20, 2004 4:58PM

My latest submission was great -- about 65% PSA 8's on 60's cards. Something apparently caused a PSA shift back to reasonability. I can't imagine what it was. But at any rate, I never had a "theory" that no 60's cards could get 8's so don't put words in my mouth. My only "observation" was that FEWER 60's cards were getting 8's -- at least for a while. Comprende?

Scott

Robby · May 20, 2004 9:38PM

The53Kid...............Nice submission ! I too went thru my cards numerous times with a fine tooth comb , adding and dropping cards to submit , and only sent in the best that I had ! HAD a few pleasant surprises on cards that I decided to send in at the end !...........Robby

grilloj39 · May 20, 2004 11:10PM

congrats on your submission...I like the idea of just waiting until the cards show up in the mail and getting that pleasant surprise, but sometimes the temptation of checking via the internet is too much to overcome.

gemint · May 20, 2004 11:34PM

Nice submission Robby. You saved yourself a ton of money with those low pop '69s. It's smart that you checked on the Houk. They always mess up the white letter labeling.

ejguru · May 21, 2004 1:50AM

Great submission--if those were the grades you were shooting for--

I stand by my experience that psa 9's in the mid to late 1960's are not being awarded as they were before mid 2003. If someone could pull pop reports from the registry, I suppose it would provide more evidence than this person's humble opinion. Anyone help on a vintage pop report?

Thegradinator · May 21, 2004 2:20AM

<< <i>Great submission--if those were the grades you were shooting for--

I stand by my experience that psa 9's in the mid to late 1960's are not being awarded as they were before mid 2003. If someone could pull pop reports from the registry, I suppose it would provide more evidence than this person's humble opinion. Anyone help on a vintage pop report? >>

1969 Topps 8858 PSA 9's
1968 Topps 15608 PSA 9's
1967 Topps 4237 PSA 9's
1966 Topps 2165 PSA 9's
1965 Topps 3604 PSA 9's
1964 Topps 2932 PSA 9's
1963 Topps 2116 PSA 9's
1962 Topps 1590 PSA 9's

Cubfan · May 21, 2004 2:22AM

Grillo - For my last few submissions, I also have waited until the cards arrived to look at the grades.

As I take them out of the boxes, I mentally re-grade them with the grade covered by my thumb and then see how close I was. The grades are still remarkably close and usually my grade was conservative.

Sometimes its very difficult not to peek, but I have found it well worth the fun and excitement of holding off for the three days that it takes to get to my mailbox. And there have been some nice surprises with the last few as well.

Keith

ejguru · May 21, 2004 4:34AM

Gradinator--
Thanks, but it's more than that. Check the % of 9's and 10's of ALL CARDS GRADED at (at least) two points in time--like July 2003 and today. From that one can see if there has been a statistically significant change over time. Still, it may not PROVE my theory, because more psa 7/8 quality cards could've been brought out by grading specials making it financially sensible to grade a card that MAY 8. However, cards that are 8/9 (my hunch) would be submitted regardless--thus any s.s. change may be a reflection of graders tightening up.

Thegradinator · May 21, 2004 12:17PM

Fonz, that may be impossible since the pop report online is only the crrent pop and I don't think they haven't printed the pop report since 2000. The only way you can see this is if someone saved that info or printed it from 2003. Sorry I couldn't help better.

Robby · May 21, 2004 12:46PM

<< <i>Great submission--if those were the grades you were shooting for--

I stand by my experience that psa 9's in the mid to late 1960's are not being awarded as they were before mid 2003. If someone could pull pop reports from the registry, I suppose it would provide more evidence than this person's humble opinion. Anyone help on a vintage pop report? >>

.....................Ejgura , I was shooting for all 8's , with a few more 9's in the 1964's !!!!!! I thought 3 or 4 cards in the 64's had a shot at a nine ...... the one 9 that I got wasn't one of them ! ..........Anyway , in reply to your question about the pops , I can only give you the 69's and 64's , as those were my interests and the only ones I printed out and saved ! ..........1964 Topps Baseball : (7-27-03 ) ....2,269 Psa 9's and 45 Psa 10's.............(11-4 -03) .....2,524 Psa 9's and 58 Psa 10's ........today.....2,932 Psa 9's and 71 Psa 10's .............For 1969 Topps ......(11-7-02) .....5,094 Psa 9's and 177 Psa 10's ..............(10-30-03) ......7,496 Psa 9' and 330 something Psa 10's.................( 2-1-04 ) ......7,786 Psa 9's and 348 Psa 10's .............today .......8,858 Psa 9's and 381 Psa 10's ...........I will let you crunch the numbers about your theory on these two years anyway !.....................Robby

ejguru · May 21, 2004 12:55PM

Robby--Thanks for the help. Still need GRAND TOTAL GRADED at each interval. That way one can determine % of 9/10's graded.

E

Robby · May 21, 2004 1:02PM

EJGURU ...........Sorry about that ! I am a idiot when it comes to math and numbers .........no, I don't have those numbers as my printer cut off the numbers at the total mark ! .......Robby .............I do have a partial number for the 1969 set ( 11-7-02 ) .......34,400 something !!!!!!!

ZodiacMindwarp · May 21, 2004 1:23PM

On 09/17/03, there were 44,016 cards graded in the 1969 set. The distribution of the grades was:

PSA 7: 8,230, 18.70%
PSA 8: 20,107, 45.68%
PSA 9, 6,413, 14.57%
PSA 10, 243, 0.55%

As of today, there have been 54,372 cards graded. That's an increase of 23.5% in 8 months which is probably enough to constitute a fair analysis. The current distribution is:

PSA 7: 10,066, 18.51%
PSA 8: 24,332, 44.75%
PSA 9: 8,858, 16.29%
PSA 10: 381, 0.70%

PlayBall · May 21, 2004 1:26PM

I know this is not 60's material, but here is a sampling of 1940 Play Ball, which is best served to look at 7/8 instead of 8/9....

These numbers are only straight grades, not including qualified cards, because centering measurements are not subjective, and these cards do not really suffer from any other prominent qualifiers, and there's no qualifier for toning.

Inception to 08/04/02 - Total Graded: 3409

PSA 7 - 996 = 29.2%
PSA 8 - 702 = 20.6%
PSA 9 - 17 = 0.5%
PSA 10 - 1 = 0.03% (Ted Williams - collectors agree that this is not a deserving 10)

08/04/02 to 01/18/03 - Graded in this interval: 353

PSA 7 - 32 = 9.1%
PSA 8 - 17 = 4.8%
PSA 9 - 0 = 0.0%
PSA 10 - 0 = 0.0%

01/18/03 to 05/21/04 - Graded in this interval: 1260

PSA 7 - 275 = 21.8%
PSA 8 - 102 = 8.1%
PSA 9 - 3 = 0.2% (1 DiMaggio & 2 Williams, which seems kinda screwy in my book)

PSA 10 - 0 = 0.0%

The percentage of 8's given out since 08/02 is SIGNIFICANTLY lower. Is it tougher standards or lack of NM/MT submittable raw cards? For this issue, I believe it is 65% standards, 35% lack of raw cards.

Just my opinion.

PlayBall · May 21, 2004 1:39PM

For '69's since 09/17/03......

Total graded - 10,356

PSA 7 - 1836 = 17.73%
PSA 8 - 4225 = 40.80%
PSA 9 - 2445 = 23.61%
PSA 10 - 138 = 1.33%

Looks like 9's and 10's have become easier in the past 9 months.

ejguru · May 21, 2004 7:27PM

Hmmm...As for 1969, congrats to those submitters--that looks like a nice increase in "money" cards. THANKS FOR THE DATA!

scottsusor · May 22, 2004 4:41AM

Does anybody know if at one time, a vintage card with 4 NM-MT corners (i.e. just the slightest touch) -- and no other defects -- got a grade of PSA 8 (NM-MT)? Today, per PSA's own written standards, such a card gets a 7 (NM). To me, that's weird, but in order to get an 8 now, a card must have at minimum 2 MINT corners. This could be the "tightening" that a lot of people are concerned about.

Scott

Edited from "everybody" to "a lot of people" in order to appease the self-appointed board president.

toppsgun · May 22, 2004 5:23AM

Everybody is not concerned about it. Didn't you get that cheese I sent to go with your whine?

Mantlefan · May 22, 2004 6:20AM

Great submission Robby. LMK if the 1964 Linz PSA 8 is available.

purelyPSA · May 23, 2004 3:02AM

Scott - cards with 4 touched corners have never gotten an 8. You've always had to have at least 2 mint corners to get one, at least in the three years I've been submitting.

scottsusor · May 23, 2004 12:27PM

Steve -- Thanks, that's good to know.

Scott

purelyPSA · May 23, 2004 1:33PM

I've seen cards with 4 very light touches get 6s before.

I Am Stunned - Just Recieved My Grades From Psa

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