Is there a reason we need to look at NGC and ANACS coins on PCGS Boards???????

skate4357 · May 19, 2004 10:41AM

Mike and I am here to ONLY BUY PCGS Coins. Where do some of you get off by posting NGC and ANACS coins for sale???
Is this not the PCGS Boards? Am I missing something? If I wanted my son to buy an inferior product I would subscribe to the other guys boards.
Rick (Mike's Dad)

goose3 · May 19, 2004 10:47AM

this ought to get pretty good.

ElectricEye · May 19, 2004 10:51AM

Coins are coins regardless of the holder (PCGS or second tier or SEGS, ACG, or PCI) ~ therefore, FORUMS > BUY, SELL, & TRADE - COINS is appropriate

BTW, cracking NGC holders is addictive

mozeppa · May 19, 2004 11:06AM

pcgs doesn't mint coins...neither do the other 2....buy the coin...not the plastic

greghansen · May 19, 2004 11:16AM

If you wanted your son to learn some manners...you wouldn't let him read your posts.

Myqqy · May 19, 2004 11:18AM

Where do some of you get off by posting NGC and ANACS coins for sale???

I think that many members here enjoy shopping for quality coins, regardless of the particular holder they happen to be in at the time. If you only want pcgs plastic, then buy pcgs plastic. How is this a big problem??

goldneagle · May 19, 2004 11:20AM

I would expect to find PCGS coins on the PCGS message board. I look for PCGS slabs because I can expect a more consistent grading than most other services. But a wise old friend once told me you are buying the coin, not the grading service. Slabbed coin grades to me are always in the ballpark and I can find 10 people who agree with a grade, 10 who think it should be lower, and 10 who think it should have been graded higher. Therefore when I buy a slabbed coin I buy it at what I think it's worth. Isn't that the way free trade is supposed to work.

Is this not a false statement: You seen one particular denomination and mintage PCGS MS67 coin you seen them all! The same can be said for any other grading service. What does color mean to the buyer? What does brilliance mean to the buyer? What's on the slabbed label isn't the whole story. There is only one place I personally put full faith in.

Let's not forget that there are nice raw coins found here to that you can send to anyone you want to.

GoldnEagle

BAJJERFAN · May 19, 2004 11:32AM

Maybe we should have Carol change this to the Buy, Sell, & Tirade Forum!

coinbuf · May 19, 2004 12:31PM

Get over yourself

Chris

airplanenut · May 19, 2004 12:38PM

<< If I wanted my son to buy an inferior product I would subscribe to the other guys boards >>

Where's the inferior product? A coin is a coin... and you can get a damn good one that's not in PCGS plastic.

Enjoy plastic collecting

... at least I know plenty of good coins won't be taken by you.

Casey · May 19, 2004 12:55PM

Did you really mean to post that out loud?

ALHENDER22 · May 19, 2004 1:21PM

Are you buying Plastic or Coins is what it really burns down to.
Most of the more Senior Members will tell you that ANACS is tough when it comes to grading. They list every detractor a coin has, espically toned coins. Keep in mind PCGS graders are human,
and under intense pressure daily to grade coins fast. This is brought about when PCGS sends all their graders to each show normally only leaving a few behind to grade coins.

Take a look at the Grey sheet and Blue sheet INDEX, NGC, ANACS AND PCI are nipping right at PCGS heels for return on book
value.

Al

airplanenut · May 19, 2004 1:21PM

<< Is there a reason we need to look at NGC and ANACS coins on PCGS Boards??????? >>

Oh, there was another question. No, there is no reason... you can read only the threads you deem worthy, your majesty

JoyofCollecting · May 19, 2004 1:21PM

Did you really just say that?

With all due respect, I think you need to worry more about buying some books before you spend any more money on coins.

beartracks42 · May 19, 2004 1:26PM

Who died and made him KING?

ajia · May 19, 2004 1:27PM

Why do some of us get off by posting NGC and ANACS coins for sale???
Because someone gets off by buying NGC and ANACS coins! DUH

One thing I will say in regards to this, and other threads, I HATE the saying, "Buy the coin, not the plastic"
If this was true we wouldn't need PCGS, NGC, ANACS or the other TPG services.
How many of us can pick a MS68 over a MS69 for our Dansco?
Or there would be no reason to regrade or crossover.

Plastic DOES matter, as does the coin

michael · May 19, 2004 2:00PM

ms70 · May 19, 2004 2:12PM

Seems like that was one of those "hit & run" posts for entertainment purposes.

fullerfun4 · May 19, 2004 2:13PM

What an insulting and pompous post. I really don't think PCGS meant this forum to be just for thie coins. And besides, who gives a flying.....

Gary

nOoBiEeE · May 19, 2004 2:44PM

Hahaha, I like posts like yours Rick. With your pompous attitude and all that anger you show, it says something about who you are and probably are hated by many people!!! You seem like the type of person that needs to scream to get what they want and thinks the world owes you something right? Ya, I know i'm right..

rdunnit · May 19, 2004 3:03PM

Coins are $#@%$#@ coins no matter what service slabbed it.
PCGS is one of the top three grading services.
NGC and ANACS are great grading services as well.
Even ICG is pretty decent I have heard.

Each service has it's weaknesses and strengths:

PCGS is generally pretty conservative on most series of coins. They are kickass on DCAMS. Some series of coins they are superior depending on when the coin was slabbed. I have heard and read that when the market is strong like right now then grading services became somewhat looser that at other times. Somone correct me if I am wrong. I think that this is called market grading. They allow direct submission free when joining the memebership and slab fees are more expensive than other services. But PCGS generally sells for more in the marketplace.

ANACS is great at varieties and net grading that PCGS and NGC doesn't recognize or provide and I have heard that it is pretty good on copper and older 19th Century coins. The drawbacks that I have heard of from here is that it doesn't grade as well over about MS65 on some coins and it isn't as good on moderns. ANACS allows direct submissions and they have good prices and specials every month. ANACS coins generally sell for a bit less than NGC or PCGS and this means to me that once I have learned what a grade should be then correctly graded ANACS and ICG coins can be damn good deals. Hell I have even seen people on here get nice coins from NTC, ACG, SEGS, PCI and other services.

NGC is good on most coins I have heard. Moderns don't seem to be graded as conservative as PCGS but I have heard that they generally grade pretty well up to about MS65-MS66 then after that they are a little looser than PCGS. They don't recognize very many varieties just like PCGS and they don't net grade problem coins. NGC is cheaper than PCGS but more expensive than ANACS. The only ways they allow direct submission is buying a $99 membership or submitting under your ANA membership. NGC coins generally sell for just a tad under PCGS on most series of coins. There are some nice coins in NGC slabs.

ICG is generally a lot looser than the other above mentioned services. I have heard that on Indians they are kick-butt. Soemtimes you can get a pretty good deal on a correctly graded ICG slabbed coin. They are pretty much in line with NGC with slabbing fees. They recognize a lot more varieties than either PCGS and NGC. I think that they don't quite recognize as many varities as ANACS but still the vast majority of major varities. They don't sell for anywhere near the price of NGC or PCGS slabbed coins. This means that a correctly graded coin is generally a hell of a deal.

I have seen a few coins in PCGS and NGC slabs that shouldn't have been given the grade that it had. Every grading service has a certain amount of errors on grading. Sometimes those errors end up all going to one dealer that bought them cheap. I have seen a lot of those coins on Ebay or Teletrade or some other places. But then again you can get nice coins anywhere if you learn to recognize what a properly graded coin should look like. Some people have even bought coins from the other services that were overgraded by 1-2 grades and still got them cheaper than if they would have bought the coins in slabs having the correct grade in them. Correctly graded coins in the other services slabs are good deals because they usually sell for a lot less money.

I can tell you this though I have bought from a few people here on this forum and I have been pleased with evey coin that I have bought. For selling coins it seems that PCGS coins sell for more money. Alot of times that means that once you learn how to recognize say a MS65 then you can get pretty good deals on coins in other companies slabs.

I don't claim to know everything and I posses no where near the knowledge of a reputable dealer or experienced collector but I have learned a lot here and one thing that I have learned here that also applies to life in general.
Always keep an open mind!

Robert

Bear · May 19, 2004 3:08PM

"PCGS graders are human"

I wonder how long that has been in effect.

endzone · May 19, 2004 4:18PM

Why don't you just ignore the threads that have ANACS or NGC listed?
No one's asking you to read them!

By the way, I listed for sale, a 1927 St Gaudens in MS61
graded by ANACS, earlier in the day. It's still available if
anyone's interested.

Sam

Blackhawk · May 19, 2004 4:38PM

Give your son a break...don't make a coin nerd out of him. Maybe it would be better if you bought him a Playboy magazine and a bottle of hand lotion.

joeyuk · May 19, 2004 6:02PM

I always felt the purpose of these boards was to promote the hobby in general not just pcgs. Joe

Outhaul · May 19, 2004 7:13PM

Freedom of choice, free country...end of story.

LucyBop · May 19, 2004 11:03PM

I think only Frankies and Winged Libertys should be allowed here!!!

How do you like those Apples????

MICHAELDIXON · May 19, 2004 11:37PM

Okay! Everybody STOP posting anything but PCGS coins on this board!

.
For Sale:
1) 1917 T1 ANACS MS62 Standing Liberty Quarter Close to Full Head.
2) 1938 D/D NGC MS65 Buffalo Nickel Target toned in Greens, reds and oranges on both sides.
3) 1945 S ICG MS66 Mercury Dime 100% white and a blazer.

Dukie101 · May 20, 2004 12:33AM

Unbeliveable post.

Colorfulcoins · May 20, 2004 12:40AM

Love to buy less expensive ANACS, NGC, ICG holdered coins that are solid, crack them and put them into higer prices PCGS holders (LoL)

JrGMan2004 · May 20, 2004 1:29AM

Yeah, there are deals to be found in all different grading services slabs... you just need to know how to grade and find them. You can get awesome deals on ICG and ANACS, and even NGC coins, with equal quality coins in them...

I'm glad there's less people like you on this forum...

goldneagle · May 20, 2004 1:48AM

Any comments out there about the authentication value of grading services?

nankraut · May 20, 2004 12:30PM

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Dave99B · May 20, 2004 1:23PM

Another textbook example of "Drinking and Posting DO NOT MIX!".

Dave

ALHENDER22 · May 20, 2004 1:36PM

Good One Dave.

Al

K6AZ · May 20, 2004 2:09PM

<< Another textbook example of "Drinking and Posting DO NOT MIX!".

Dave >>

Whaddya mean? I have no problem with it!

RNCHSN · May 20, 2004 2:45PM

Actually, I thought they went together quite well!

haletj · May 20, 2004 2:58PM

Looking at your Buffalo Nickel set it sure looks like you've bought a lot of decent NGC coins...

Boom · May 20, 2004 3:50PM

Touche Tommy, looks like he enjoyed looking at NGC coins long enough to hunt them down,
crack them out, submit them for crossover and then tell eveybody all about it..

This thread ranks right up there with the all time dumbest crock of BS. Give us a break and crawl
back in your cave and have another beer. In case you didn't notice, it says "Buy sell and trade COINS!"

I hope being anal retentive isn't contagious!

<< If I wanted my son to buy an inferior product I would subscribe to the other guys boards. >>

Those inferior products were good enough to put in you Registry Set...Ohhhhhhhhhh, you've
ruined your son for life! Hypocrite.

skate4357 · May 20, 2004 11:21PM

Thanks for the feedbacks. All are GREAT.
As we now all see everyone has a opinion on how they feel on the coins we collect. I prefer PCGS.
Rick
Note: 7:19 am and no beer yet.

0john0 · May 20, 2004 11:33PM

Maybe we should have Carol change this to the Buy, Sell, & Tirade Forum!

That was a good one.

asnovell · May 21, 2004 12:32AM

Buy the coin not the slab. I suggest to have your son ignore everything that doesn't have PCGS in the heading.. Then of course by doing so he would be possibly passing up a great coin...

wallstreetman · May 21, 2004 4:50AM

<< 
One thing I will say in regards to this, and other threads, I HATE the saying, "Buy the coin, not the plastic"
If this was true we wouldn't need PCGS, NGC, ANACS or the other TPG services.
How many of us can pick a MS68 over a MS69 for our Dansco?
Or there would be no reason to regrade or crossover.

Plastic DOES matter, as does the coin >>

Exactly, If the plastic did'nt matter then why are some of these people going to court with ACG!

As far as this board, remember, its your submissions to PCGS that support it!

KobeKing8888 · May 21, 2004 6:29AM

Hello mike: I agree strongly that this PCGS Message board should be for PCGS Itms. If you'de like to sell other slabbed coins then go to any of the number of auction sites and present the other slabbed coins there for all to see. I don't however see a problem about talking about another slabbed coin from another company. But PCGS coins only should be sold on the PCGS web site. Thanks. KobeKing8888. Eric Devan **

airplanenut · May 21, 2004 8:24AM

OK! So it's now what? 2 against basically everyone else? It's good when arguments are even on both sides...

tgilliams · May 21, 2004 8:45AM

Some "uneducated" collector's find coins they dispite the holder, just because they like and enjoy the coin. Imagine how many poor souls actually buy coins for their beauty, not a PCGS Holder

. Boy I hope I could rise to your level of collecting.

Russ · May 21, 2004 9:02AM

<< If I wanted my son to buy an inferior product I would subscribe to the other guys boards. >>

This coin was in an ANACS MS66CAM holder:

It now resides in a PCGS MS67CAM holder. So, whose product is inferior?

Thanks for the entertainment!

Russ, NCNE

KobeKing8888 · May 21, 2004 9:05AM

I respect PCGS much more then any other grading service in the world. Every time I've had other slabbed coins sent away to PCGS they've come back with a lower grade. PCGS is the toughest yet most respected service in the world. Any open minded chat about other slabbed compannies should be welcome of course. But, when you get back a PCGS slabbed coin you know it's the true grade. I've been selling All slabbed coins on ebay for over three years. By far I've gotten way more bids on PCGS slabs then any other company. One of the main reasons I believe is because more and more collector's are breaking the slab and sending them off for a higher grade. Thanks! Eric D.. ** KobeKing8888.

KobeKing8888 · May 21, 2004 9:13AM

Yes on rare occasions PCGS grades higher of course. But, on the whole I believe PCGS is tougher. As I've said in the passed by far, more sales & more bids are always with PCGS. Congrats on your re-slab Russ! the kennedy looks awsome. But it looks much closer to an MS-66 if you ask me. (Smiles). Eric...

Tonelover · May 21, 2004 9:36AM

Every time I've had other slabbed coins sent away to PCGS they've come back with a lower grade.

A lot of times this can be attributed to buying coins that are low end for the grade to begin with. I presume you buy most if not all of your coins from ebay and only when the "price is right". Sounds like you've been getting some great "deals" LOL!

On the other hand, if you have a good eye you can have results like this, which clearly show that other grading services are not necessarily "inferior" as you guys put it.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=290298

Learn how to grade and you'll soon find that the plastic is actually among the least important things you should be worrying about.

Russ · May 21, 2004 10:36AM

<< Yes on rare occasions PCGS grades higher of course. >>

Every ANACS coin I've ever cracked out and submitted to PCGS has come back at, or higher, than the ANACS grade; and that's a couple dozen coins so far.

Russ, NCNE

Is there a reason we need to look at NGC and ANACS coins on PCGS Boards???????

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