Found my first doctored card. Help me destory it.

minibeers · May 10, 2004 6:03AM

Howdy gang,

Well, I guess it was just a matter of time. I dove back into the hobby about a year ago and have had a lot of fun since. Stuff I bought 10 months ago that I thought was NRMT now looks EX-MT to me due to card grading and the education of sending stuff in to PSA. I received one card back that said it didn't meet the size requirements and ever since, I'm a believer in buying graded cards just for the authentication factor.

So, I'm building a NRMT/NM-MT 1972 baseball set (mixed raw and graded) and the last lot I bought had a Carlton Fisk rookie in it. Man, it looked to good to be true. And it was. I took an extra look at an area in the lower right corner and it looked like a layer of paper was missing but the color was the same. Since the color of the top layer of this issue is different than the cardboard it rests on, I realized I had a doctored card on my hands. This happened last Thursday night. I'm truly impressed with how someone matched the color. Then I noticed the black keyline. Once I spotted the redraw, the whole refurb job now jumps out at me like a sore thumb. Check out the scan below.

In the interest of the hobby (and to have some fun), I have decided to have the card put to sleep in order to take it out of circulation. In the spirit of the Bartman ball, I'm taking suggestions on how to destroy the card. Suggestions? What ever method is used, I promise to post pictures of the process and aftermath.

cheers,
minibeers

koby · May 10, 2004 6:11AM

<< <i>I took an extra look at an area in the lower right corner and it looked like a layer of paper was missing but the color was the same. Since the color of the top layer of this issue is different than the cardboard it rests on, I realized I had a doctored card on my hands.

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So in this case, someone took the corner from a different card to reconstruct the lower left corner? I wonder why PSA only noted the size difference when it maybe should have lablled it "ALT"

norty · May 10, 2004 6:11AM

Just as a point of clarification, failure to meet minimum size requirements does NOT mean the card was trimmed or altered. Many perfectly fine cards from vending or presentation sets or elsewise are just cut too small to fit PSA holders without flopping around. PSA just chooses not to holder them but does refund your fee (in the form of credits for future submissions of the same type).

minibeers · May 10, 2004 6:12AM

No, the size req thing was on a different card. This card looks like someone did a paint job on it.
Sorry for the confusion.

Edited to say: Thanks Norty. I feel better about that card now. It is a cherry 1966 Twins Team card from the high series I still have in my set.

mudflap02 · May 10, 2004 6:18AM

To me it's actually easier to spot in the farther shot than the close up, but i don't know if i would have caught it in person without knowing. As for how to destroy the card, I think you should eat it.

sjeanblanc · May 10, 2004 6:22AM

Minibeers,

You could send it to ChicagoGlen for his sportsbar, after all Carlton Fisk did log quite a few years for the White Sux.

Oops I let some of that Cubs-Sox thing slip in here. Just find the "Help with a project" thread for his address.

Scott Jeanblanc
jeanblanc@iconnect.net
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Collecting Nolan Ryan cards (68-94) and 1971 Topps

ranch · May 10, 2004 6:23AM

At approximately midnight, dip the card in gasoline, then set it on fire, dance around it and chant the following words:

Moomba fromth jee...
HUMA! HUMA! HUMA!
Jo Vorm krok chee...
ROM! ROM! ROM!

The card's evil spirit will then be banished from this face of this universe and cause' no harm on any living being.

OhioTaz · May 10, 2004 9:00AM

Mini

How about writing 'altered' on the back and giving it to a kid that collects cards. It really is just a fraction of the collecting population that cares about this sort of thing (myself included). For a young kid, it might hook him/her on the hobby and the card presents well after the doctor fixed it up.

Just a thought. Cecil was a hell of a player. Imagine how he must feel that this is known as the Fisk Rookie card...

Greg

KING KELLOGG · May 10, 2004 9:06AM

Ranch.....

Been on a trip to Jamaica or New Orleans lately????

LMAO...

Larry

RayDBonz · May 10, 2004 9:40PM

www.tannerite.com

A perfectly safe, perfectly legal binary explosive compound, er "reactive target". Attach the card to it, step back about 50 yards and hit it with a high-powered rifle (.223 or larger will do the trick). Voila - no more altered card, BIG boom, lots of smoke & noise. And your fun-meter will be pegged!

Oh yeah - all guns are always loaded. Keep the muzzel pointed in a safe direction at all times. Keep your finger off the trigger and the safety on until you are ready to shoot. Make sure of your target and backstop. Check all local laws. I assume no responsibility for the actions of others.

Vargha · May 10, 2004 9:45PM

After you're done shooting the card, come over to my house and shoot those damn squirrels that keep coming into my yard and eating everything living.

jrdolan · May 10, 2004 10:05PM

Cut off the Fisk section and consider that you have a rare 1972 Mini Cecil Cooper rookie.

CandyFactory · May 10, 2004 10:32PM

Put it in the spokes of your bicycle tires and drive around real fast.

It will make a cool noise and that way you'll get some enjoyment out of the card after all.

ChicagoGlen · May 10, 2004 11:03PM

Minibeers,

You could send it to ChicagoGlen for his sportsbar, after all Carlton Fisk did log quite a few years for the White Sux. Oops I let some of that Cubs-Sox thing slip in here. Just find the "Help with a project" thread for his address.

Scott Jeanblanc

Sounds like a great idea, I second it!

Thanks,

Glen

toppsgun · May 10, 2004 11:06PM

Pass it through the shredder first, then put it back together with glue and staples.

Then there will be no question as to whether it's altered or not.

miami3 · May 10, 2004 11:10PM

Send it to the (GOD) grader of death at PSA as a piece offering so that he will start easing up on our submissions,
or.....

Sell it to Gary Moser for $100.00 and who knows, maybe it can turn into a PRO 10 one day?????

CON40 · May 10, 2004 11:26PM

In the interest of the hobby (and to have some fun), I have decided to have the card put to sleep in order to take it out of circulation. In the spirit of the Bartman ball, I'm taking suggestions on how to destroy the card. Suggestions? What ever method is used, I promise to post pictures of the process and aftermath

You need to bring it to Fenway Park and glue it to the left field foul pole above the Green Monster... an homage to the greatest World Series home run ever hit... and it may exorcise a few demons from the ol' ballyard! Hey, after 85 years of failure, I think we should try anything!

minibeers · May 11, 2004 6:50AM

The ChicagoGlen idea is sounding good. Since the card would be ruined by putting acrylic on it I would be satisfying my pledge of destroying the card. But, since the card would be part of a project, it would still bring joy to the hearts of shmoes like me.

The rifle with explosives thing sounds cool, too. Little bit over my budget since I don't have any firearms.

Is there anyone else who thinks ChicagoGlen should get the card so it can be forever entombed in the project?

Found my first doctored card. Help me destory it.

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