PSA Resubmissions

Stone193

We hear all the time about people cracking holders and resubmitting cards to PSA.
Situation: you get your card back from PSA and don't like the grade.

So, here are two questions:
1. Do you believe it is OK to crack the holder and resubmit it?
2. How do you think PSA feels about the practice?
I'm curious to see how everyone feels about these two questions.
Mike

CON40

Mike;

Good questions... after a little thought, here's my 2¢:

If you disgaree with a grade assigned to a card, I have no problem with cracking it to resubmit. If you are willing to assume the risk of damaging the card, I don't see any ethical issue. Now, if you are cracking a PSA 5 with a wrinkle so you can "soak" it up to an 8, that's one thing, but if you think Darth Grader was too harsh, why not?

I don't think PSA minds! More revenue for them! They probably are not too happy about skewing the Pop Report, but that is more harmful to those who overpay for Lo-Pop cards than ayone else.

SoFLPhillyFan

How about on a crossover.

Better to crack the holder from Brand X before sending it to PSA?

WinPitcher

I feel it is ok to crack and resubmit, PSA prolly does not mind as they get to rec. a fee again. Personally, I (so far) have 2 cards in my collection that are candidates for resubmission but I'll never do it. I will crack the other 2 company's cards and cross.........

edited to add: yes it is BETTER to crack brand X before submitting

Aknot

Well I think Im going to find out when my Callahans get in. I wont right away but it will take a few days and some PM's with 1 or 2 other trusted memebers (at least I trust them!!!) before I make that plunge.

Im not happy and I do not beleive "grading" should be subjective. When I was an MP REGARDLESS of what happened the night before or during the day EVERYONE got treated the same. The Grading companies should hold the same standard. (b4 you comment read what Im TRYING to say)

But how is the big question. "Physically" its easy. Gloss, shine, etc. is a little harder. Billy in a bad mood cause his Girl friend dumped him last night.....do you really want him grading your card?

PSA is the leader and there is no question they (PSA graded) gets a premium over most others thats why MOST of us are here. Now how do help them improve......

Sorry a little off topic...............

gemint

I'm always torn on this issue. I had a 1973 Schmidt rookie that I strongly felt was MINT but I was told it downgraded to an 8 (or I could have opted for a 9PD) due to a small white spec on the Schmidt photo. Having seen many 9s with more print snow than mine, I considered resubmitting it for a long time. I was hesitant because I planned keeping the card in my collection and didn't want to risk getting it damaged or lost by resubmitting and the number on the holder isn't all that important to me. Eventually it bothered me enough to the point where I decided to crack and resubmit it. It did come back a 9 and now resides in my set. If it were a common, I wouldn't have been so concerned about it being damaged during resubmission but I also wouldn't have bothered resubmitting it.

Unless it's a very tough card that you just can't find, I don't see much upside in resubmitting cards unless you're crossing them over to your holder of choice.

Stone193

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Hello,
People are free to crack the cards out of our holders. Many people
that
do this will send the flip back to us so that we can delete it from the
Population report.
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Just thought at this point, I would add the response I got from PSA on the topic. No problem on the crack jobs.



<< <i>They probably are not too happy about skewing the Pop Report >>


Con40
Keith - good point - they commented that some turn in the flip - I would not give that to them till later since that could 'influence' their grading of the card IMO.
Mike

coach30

PSA makes mistakes all the time. No reason a nice card should be destined to be in the wrong holder because of human error. You have to pay for this priviledge of resubmission so collectors will not do this to an excessive degree. I have done it on occasion and find the percentage of upgrades make it worth considering.

Griffins

1. If I think someone did their job incorrectly then I think its perfectly OK to ask them to do it again, especially if I"m willing to pay for it
2. I don't think PSA minds at all- they have required membership fees and upped shipping fees, do you really think they'd mind if you'd pay them to do the same thing 2 or more times?

This is why the pop report is better used as a guide than an absolute- especially on the mid grades of any particular issue.

CON40

Keith - good point - they commented that some turn in the flip - I would not give that to them till later since that could 'influence' their grading of the card IMO.


Mike;
I actually save the old flips... next time I have submission, I'll turn them in. But, as you said, not until after the card has been regraded!

SDavid

There are raw card dealers who could probably send in a truckload of flips.

bill7549

Yeah, it seems like you'd WANT to turn in the flips. That way, irrespective of grade, the population report for your card will not be inflated, and in theory, your card should be worth more.

Slabbed

If the grade does not fit you must resubmit

Treetop

1. Do you believe it is OK to crack the holder and resubmit it?

and PSA believes in this also. I've said it once and I'll say it again, 10-15 percent of PSA submissions are based on crack-outs and crossovers. You can do the math on 7,000,000 cards graded.

Nice chunk of $$$$